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Soo I am leaving my job and they asked me to fill a blank form. In this form instead of asking "gender" and "marital status" which are the usual here, they are asking for "gender identity" and "sexual orientation" . Now, the gender identity I kinda get (because some trans people might feel uncomfortable otherwise and it allows for pronouns) though it only makes things confusing I guess, since it's a blank form and not every boomer knows you're supposed to answer, say, "cisgender man" probably.

But "sexual orientation"? Like what. Honestly wondering if this is even legal now that I am QUITTING you're asking my sexual orientation? What for? So you can say "hope you find a good husband/wife who will provide shelter for you honey"? Are you gonna find me on Tinder? ... I mean even if I wasn't quitting that would be strange. They're not even asking for marital status now just "sexual orientation" . Seriously.

It's apparently not illegal in my area but damn. Makes me wonder what the fuck they're doing with information. But anyway if you know whether it's legal in your area pls LMK

Don't give them any info if you can legally get away with it. Too intrusive.

AYRT - I think I can. No, I'm not giving any info. I work for the local administration in a sense so I can't get away with simply not answering things, but this I feel like they won't be able to explain why they asked it in the first place even if I leave it blank so it's probably not going to change anything. Maybe I will just pretend I read it as "marital status" (because that's the usual question) and automatically wrote "single" .

It's illegal for employers to discriminate based on sexual orientation. That makes it a data point they're gonna want to collect, both at onboarding and offboarding.

You know what's not only legal, but required? If you're getting a mortgage, but you don't want to put your race and ethnicity on the application, your mortgage originator has to make a guess based on your appearance and/or name. Like, they have to. They can lose their license if they don't.

If GUESSING A PERSON'S RACE AND ETHNICITY AND THEN LISTING THE GUESS ON A FEDERAL FORM is legal, you can damn sure bet that asking your sexual orientation is.

AYRT - ...? But how would they discriminate against someone who is quitting out of their own will? Yell "GOODBYE FAG" at the exit door? Makes no sense.

Ehh. Why can't they just leave it blank, this is crazy. This doesn't happen in my area at least (as far as I am aware) but yeah. It's ironic because people very often guess wrongly (see: the recent Twitter thread on how Taylor Lautner HAS to be somehow Asian which sparked a big discussion on many celebrities' looks vs ethnicities) When I worked filling forms, I just wrote whatever the person told me regardless of how they looked because that's what I was told. Which made the race/ethnicity field pretty much an useless one, except when it came to affirmative actions in which case a lot of white people would say they're "actually black because their great-great-grandpa.." lol. Meanwhile people with black parents would say "white" out of fear of being discriminated against. Really, The World.

Still, sexual orientation feels even more weird to me. Everyone has an ethnicity - which they may not even know of but they have biological parents somehow. But sexual orientation? What's a child's sexual orientation? Weird thing to ask of people unless, again, you want to hook up with them on Tinder or something lol.

Well, "yes" might be an acceptable answer. Along the lines of that Light Yagami avatar I saw one time, with the text "Questioning Own Sexuality: I think I have one."

Jokes aside, information collection about race, gender, and sexual orientation can be such a clusterfuck. Usually - if you can - it's helpful to talk to someone who actually knows what they plan to DO with that information. My mother still remembers one time when she did exactly that and was told that on my school paperwork, I should be "white," because POC were sent by bus to farther-away schools and wasted a lot of time every day in transit to make the district look adequately desegregated.

So yeah ... a lot of people who are, don't want to announce it, and a lot of people who aren't think they lose nothing by checking a ticky-box, and frankly I'm more fine with all of that than I would be with governments actually being able to track us more accurately, because at least half of the policies about "what should be done with minorities," do not benefit minorities. To put that very mildly.

AYRT - Yes, sure. You are right about that. There is no one I can ask, though, which is why I came on F!S to see if anyone has a clue. The reason for which I am leaving that hellhole is exactly because I want nothing to do with anyone or anything there, so yeah. Obviously I don't trust them and don't have anyone to ask either. Still. Making these kinds of questions just seems... plain wrong. Anyways I would gladly answer "no" but that would still be too much so "single" is the best I can do without being TOO "fuck off".

AYRT

Ah. I'm sorry I don't have specific information on this. It definitely seems inappropriate to me, and your response sounds like the best (serious, tactful) non-answer.

(Forgot to add in reply above, but this is a different anon.)

I would honestly not write anything. Shady as shit tbh. Even if you're QUITTING, why do they need to suddenly ask your "gender", "marital status" or "sexual orientation"? You won't need to be on their files and you shouldn't be on their files after you leave. Filling out that kind of unnecessary info seems sus.

AYRT - Agreed. As for marital status it's standard practice and I kind of get it, because married people have to show their marriage certificate at admission so maybe they're supposed to show that when leaving too, alongside every other document (but I wouldn't know the details seeing as I have been single all the while). But yeah, suddenly asking for info that isn't in any official documents is pretty shady I agree.

I don't know if they have any laws in your area related to equal opportunity or if that specific company receives any funding related to diversity, but if they do, they likely have to report numbers in those categories in aggregate. Or it could just be a company diversity policy. In order to track percentages, they use those numbers. So, those wouldn't be about you specifically. The numbers might affect their hiring or other company policies. For example, if they are losing too many women employees, maybe they start a hiring push or institute programs that might help them retain women employees. That said, I don't think you have to fill it out if you don't want to, but somebody will probably just guess at the ones you don't.

AYRT - But really, still sounds dumb as f. If they are losing too many women employees then... just make statistics based on the good old "gender" field? It's not that hard. "They want to know if there's discrimination against the LGBT+ in the workplace" well then instead of asking, if there are suspicions, isn't it better to just lecture people instead of... exposing them, if you really want to protect them? Nah fam. Not buying it.

They will guess... my sexual orientation? *eats popcorn* this gonna be gud

Why are they asking you personal information when you're LEAVING a job?!?

AYRT - That's what I want to know as well!!

What will they do if you don't hand it in? My workplace does do exit interviews and we do ask for sexuality/race/gender identity etc if you're leaving in case it's because of discrimination (if all the lesbians leave a team we want to make sure it's not because their boss is gross and they're scared to tell us), but honestly most people don't even bother to fill it out.

AYRT - Well, since my job is related to public administration it will seem like I abandoned it and will suffer legal sanctions, maybe go to jail which I certainly would love to avoid. So I am handing it.

Still sounds weird to me that you wouldn't expect someone to just say "I am quitting because my boss is a nasty homophobe" but would expect them to write down their gender identity and sexual orientation so you will have it on an archive forever lol.

NAYRT, but there’s a lot of ground to cover between Out and Ready to go on record with a discrimination complaint, particularly depending on the geographical location and the industry.

AYRT - Well this is only because people are afraid of doing what is right. Which I am not afraid of. In other words: if I knew I was going to be discriminated against anyway I would fill ten discrimination complaints, one for each instance of discrimination and no fucking human scum alive would stop me. *shrug* if I am gonna be screwed might as well go all the way.

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