[ SECRET POST #881 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #881 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS. Random penises and nudity, but nothing full-on pornographic.

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[Robin Hood]


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[Patrick Wolf]


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[Totally Captivated]


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108. [SPOILERS for Criminal Minds]



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[Naruto, Gintama]


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[Elizabeth and Mary Tudor]


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[Watchmen/Star Trek]


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[Catweazle]


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[BtVS]


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[Sherlock Holmes]


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[Harry Potter/LoTR]


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[SGA]


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[Rory Gallagher]


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[Avatar, HP]


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[Edgar Wright - not a repeat]


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[Skins]


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[Princess Tutu]


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[TMNT]


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[Torchwood]


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[Madagascar]


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[Megan Fox]


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[HP]


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[Sting/Paul McCartney]


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[Avatar]


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[Afro-Ken]


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[James May]


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[Simon Pegg]


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[HIMYM]


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174. [porns]
http://i40.tinypic.com/f4h4yh.jpg


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[Maria-sama Ga Miteru]



Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 080 secrets from Secret Submission Post #126.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - doing it wrong ], [ 1 - personal attack ], [ 1 - posted three times ], [ 1 - needs some handy links ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

138. http://i42.tinypic.com/124ix3n.jpg

[anthraxpretzels.livejournal.com]

Absolutely agree with this, anon. :|

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not entirely sure I get what you're trying to say. What does guro or rapefic have to do with Racefail?

As for where I stand on it, so long as it's fairly well warned for and someone's not trying to shove it at someone who's uninterested in or squicked by such things, I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with someone writing either of those.

[holidaylights.livejournal.com]

IA so hard.

[atelierlune.livejournal.com]

Intelligent secret is intelligent.

[jlh.livejournal.com]

Very well said.

[gomimushi.livejournal.com]

Well said, well said. I wish some fans would take a lot of other issues a little less violently as well - they accuse people of being too sensitive, but the fact is, they're incredibly sensitive to criticism themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

So white girls can't experience racism or war? Did you even read what you wrote?

[(Anonymous)]

some people are able to separate fiction from reality. You kind of need to do that to even like Hetalia, really. I can enjoy the series and fandom that's making WW2 into characters (*insert whatever historical incidents for WW2*) and still recognize that WW2 and issues surrounding each event are serious and not to be taken lightly. When people are able to do that, they assume other people have the ability to do that as well. I'm not saying people should just suck it up and not care, but whining about "oh my god, you don't understand, my family was touched by the war etc etc!" is ridiculous. Especially in that fandom, where there are countless people who are in the same situation.

[karel]

I would just say that things should be marked better (idk how Hetalia fandom does things -- do they put appropriate warnings on things, or do they just assume that people should "know" if they're in the fandom...?) so that people who don't want to see certain things don't have to. Guro and rapefic/art should be warned for/put behind a cut anyway. They shouldn't have to stop writing/doing it, but they could at least make it easier to avoid if people don't want to see it. I hate how a lot of Hetalia people have guro in their icons and then use said icons in public. Sorry that some of us have a weak stomach, but really, is it that hard to use something more worksafe?

[t3h-toby-chan.livejournal.com]

Not in Hetalia fandom, but I can definitely see the issue there. Respecting other peoples' limits and offenses is very important, even if you don't change the things you like because of it. I still like a lot of humor that's considered offensive, but I won't attack people for being offended by it, because their feelings are legitimate.

The people I know who like Hetalia are good natured about it, so I haven't dealt with the ugly side of fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

If you're in Hetalia fandom and think white girls haven't experienced racism, you're extremely self-centered. Isn't Hetalia centered around World War Two, which includes the Holocaust? (Though I don't think they show anything about the Holocaust in Hetalia.)

[(Anonymous)]

I, for one, am shocked and appalled that an anime/webmanga that takes WW2 and represents it as silly adventures between nation-tans would have a fandom that has people who think getting up in arms over things like that is silly.

Shocked and appalled.

[(Anonymous)]

Hunny, what?

I-I'm not touching upon the white comment. But...Do you want to explain? I'm not sure I understand. What have Hetalia fans said to you? I don't mean to sound nosy but I always find Hetalia fans incredibly sensitive towards other people and their country's histories. In fact, I feel the fandom 'unites' people all over the world. It's my favorite thing about it.

Maybe I hang in a different side, I'm sorry you've had to experience that.

[(Anonymous)]

more word pie to go around. totally yes!

[(Anonymous)]

sorry, no. I'm not going to carry the weight of someone's pain just because they experience it. Experiencing pain/offense is not a virtuous, valid experience in and of itself, the cause needs to be justly correlated for me to give a flying fuck, adjust what I'm doing, and coddle them into the night.

[wanderingscribe.livejournal.com]

(Okay, shit, I know I'm gonna get flamed for this. Well, flame on, I guess, cause I think this needs to be said.)

Fandom, even yes, Hetalia fandom, is not a safe space, nor should it be. If you are upset or hurt by something someone has said or done, you need to put on your big girl panties and deal with it directly instead of being passive-aggressive on a secrets community and sniping about how much a bunch of random strangers you will probably never meet have hurt you.

If they end up still not caring after you do so, leave them be. You're not going to change their minds no matter how hard you try. Just accept it and move on. If you can't do that, you may need a perspective check.

[(Anonymous)]

"I'm not offended by it, so no one else should be!"

"I'm offended by it, so everyone else should be too!"

Both are rampant in Hetalia. Neither are correct. What's the middle ground? (I'm not being snarky. There has to be some sort of middle ground that everyone can agree works. Right?)

[(Anonymous)]

I for one don't know why people get up in arms about a silly webcomic made by some Asian-American student with a hard on for N. Italy and bunnies. Sorry.

If you mean the anon meme then...Try not to get too hung up over it, k? :) It's just a bunch of anonymous people! (I know where you're coming from but take a deep breath and remember its the anon meme)

[cloud-riven.livejournal.com]

I agree with some of the things you're saying, OP, but I don't appreciate how you're implying that rapefic and guro is common in the fandom.

Nonetheless, I do think it's important to understand why someone would find offense with these things. It should be obvious of course, but one of the few things I don't like about the fandom are the constantly defensive kneejerk reactions—from both sides.

[snarkybando.livejournal.com]

I feel really uncomfortable that this anon may be comparing racefail to just being offended. They don't make it clear whether they're talking about racism/sexism/homophobia/heteronormativity or being squicked by something. If it the latter, then well ... you really didn't learn enough from racefail, I think.

[(Anonymous)]

My main problem with this is the assumption that just because you are hurting, your POV must be the correct one.

Yes, it would be great if everyone listened to each other and tried to figure out where the other person is coming from, but that's not reality - there are always going to be jerks. On top of that, despite all the listening and learning in the world, the two (or more) people involved might still have two (or more) opposing points-of-view.

But I'm not saying you don't have a point. You do. But is it really invalidating you if they just don't agree? You have a right to feel hurt and express that, but don't they have a right to stand by whatever it is that is hurting you (or not, if they end up agreeing with you)?

[cyren-2132.livejournal.com]

"If someone is hurting because of what you did the best thing you can do is...change your attitude."

Just...no. I have no other words for that blanket statement but no.

[fyretoppaaa.livejournal.com]

I could probably have sympathized with this secret if you hadn't:

a) been talking about the anonmeme
b) included the race dig. That was incredibly unnecessary no matter which way you spin it.

So, yeah, Hetalia fandom's a bunch of overreacting prats. But I'm still not particularly impressed with your secret.

[quadruplify.livejournal.com]

Exactly.

Changing your attitude IS the best thing you can do when you offend someone, I agree. Unfortunately, there are a lot of douchebags out there who refuse to do so out of a misguided sense of entitlement, and will lash out at you for being offended. The best thing to do in that case, however much you may want things to change, is to not let those attacks get to you and to avoid them whenever possible.