[ SECRET POST #5967 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5967 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 28 secrets from Secret Submission Post #853.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Bitch, where?

Where are you seeing all this supposed Spike bashing?

I fucking dare YOU to go on reddit or TikTok and try and talk shit about Spike. Go, on, I fucking DARE YOU. You'll get metaphorically gutted and downvoted into hell.

Spike bashing is nothing compared to #Xanderslander. You can't spend five minutes in Buffy fandom without someone, out of fucking nowhere bashing Xander. While Spike can do no wrong, even before he got a soul, and gets fellated on the reg. Xander *breaths* and gets called an incel stalker.

Gitthafuckouttahere!

[(Anonymous)]

I see plenty of Spike bashing on Twitter.

Also Xander does suck. Spike also sucks. Xander's suckiness does take up a larger percentage of his screen time though I think so there is that.

[(Anonymous)]

Twitter? Are you serious? Again, I ask where? Show me, because I can show you a shit tonne of Xanderslander because it's EVERYWHERE.

I can't go anywhere in fandom and not have to endure nonstop Xander hate. It never stops. Never.

There's A. Fucking. Hashtag for Xander hate. Where's Spike's hate hashtag?

And miss me with that 'Both sides suck' bullshit too.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't fucking keep track of every tweet I see someone send about a Buffy character they hate, sorry

[(Anonymous)]

Which is exactly my fucking point!

Every Buffy fandom space, and I do mean every space that isn't deliberately pro-Xander, is saturated with Xanderslader. I don't have to keep track of all of the slander because it's just there: Day in and day out, without fucking end.

It's only gotten worse since the show ended, which I didn't think was possible, but here we fucking are!

[philstar22]

Not nonny, but the difference to me is that canon doesn't want us to think Spike is amazing and nearly perfect. Canon totally ignores Xander's awfulness. Spike starts as a villain, and canon never forgets that. Even when he slowly switches sides, he's always clearly complicated and has the evilness too. And season 7 made clear that the attempted rape was bad.

On the other hand, canon ignores Xander's awfulness. And that's incredibly frustrating. So it makes sense, at least to me, that fandom spends more time talking about Xander's problems. Because canon never does.

[(Anonymous)]

Canon ignores Xander after season 4. Joss, the asshole, literally said Xander's storyline was done, so there was no narrative available to explore his faults even if Joss or the writers cared to.

But that's not my issue here. My issue is Xanderslander is everywhere, and since I don't actually hate the guy, and still like the fandom, I have to put up with constant negativity towards the character. When I just want to look back on a show that I love without having to listen to assholes go on and on and on about a character they hate instead of anything else.

God, I hope this was a joke secret because the idea that Spike is widely hated is fucking laughable.

[(Anonymous)]

NARYT but also like...the #discourse about Spike predates Tiktok and Twitter AND Reddit so I'm not even a little surprised AYRT doesn't see it these days. The Evil Rapist is a foregone conclusion of an argument, by modern standards, whereas the Nice Guy is an easy target where the comments will get nasty, sure, but not /sexual assault/ nasty.

[(Anonymous)]

+100

[(Anonymous)]

This is about what I was thinking, too.

[(Anonymous)]

NA - You know, I'd agree with you if you'd chill a little and stop being OTT combative about it.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

I actually like Xander, but none of the hate for him ever bothered me. I can actually get a lot of it, even though I still like him anyways. So while I could agree with them that Xander does have more detractors than Spike, I can’t agree with the way they’re acting at all. It’s honestly weird that they’re so angry and combative over this.

Also, they got their answer about a place that has a lot of Spike hate, and they immediately dismissed it just because it’s Twitter? Nah, that’s disingenuous and blatant goalpost moving.

[(Anonymous)]

A fucking lie is not an answer.

[tabaqui]

I liked Xander, too, most of the time, but when the writing got so stupid, I mostly was invested in fan-Xander. He was better and more rounded and didn't keep regressing to high school bullshite.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeahhhh, they are pretty unflatteringly aggressive.

[(Anonymous)]

No kidding. I got to the post they started with "bitch" and thought, this does not sound like it has anything to do with Xander. It sounds like a blatant attempt at derailing the conversation the OP started, about Spike.

[(Anonymous)]

NAH. I'm done being nice about this shit. DONE.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer was my shit back in the day, and despite the crap Joss pulled on the cast, Charisma Carpenter in particular, I still love Buffy. It got me into fandom.

Xander is my least favorite Scoob, but he's still one of the gang, and the hate he gets is over-the=top and inescapable. I can't watch ninety-nine percent of Buffy TikTok because people will not shut the fuck up about hating Xander. Or hang out on r/buffy without every other post turning into a: Xander sucks! circle-jerk. It's ruining my enjoyment of a fandom I've been a part of for decades.

Now people want to pretend Spike is some super hated Buffy character, when I know for a fact, there are plenty of bubble spaces where Spike is lionized as a flawless sex GOD. Which makes their whining obvious, fucking bullshit, and I. Am. Done.

[(Anonymous)]

Ok.

[(Anonymous)]

You're done? Thank god. Now you can fuck off.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe Xander has a hashtag because there's a neat little rhyme about it. Spikepike? Spike gripe?

[(Anonymous)]

Maaan. You can go on Tumblr and search "anti Spike", it results in anti Spike takes. But also you can continue having rage bonner for all I care

[(Anonymous)]

I can go on Google and search for anti-Spike takes too, but guess what, Maaan? I would have to search for it. It won't randomly pop up on my dash and fyp unbidden the way Xanderslander constantly does.

Not a day has passed when I'm on Tumblr, reddit, TikTok, or Twitter and a video or post that had nothing to do with Xander didn't end up being about hating Xander:

Let's talk about Willow's abuse of magic!
"Yeah, but isn't Xander too possessive of the women in his life?"

Oh! How awful! Spike tried to rape Buffy!
"But what about Xander? He lied about the spell!"

Isn't Dawn annoying?
"Man, can you believe Xander told Dawn about the attempted rape? He should mind his own business!"

This is what it's like all the goddamn time! I have never, ever seen Spike or any other Buffy character get shit on as often and out of pocket as Xander does. It's like people have a physical need to bash Xander anytime Buffy the Vampire Slayer is mentioned. It's a fucking mantra to these people!

It wouldn't piss me off so much if they'd take a fucking day off every once and a while, but no, they literally can't stop!

[(Anonymous)]

So what I'm getting from this is that you like Xander.

[(Anonymous)]

What you're also saying, though, is that you absolutely know there is Spike-hate. Without the OP having to show you. And you still accused them of lying about it.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you should stop being in this fandom if it hurts you so much. Read fics in peace or something. Block all the tags if you must. Because you are not being healthy with your hobby right now. I know we are on F!S but this is an old frankly not that good show about teenage vampire killer, it's not life or death situation.

Also I said that you can go to anti Spike tag because you accused people of not providing you with links. I did provide. You are moving goalposts.