[ SECRET POST #6263 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6263 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Just because you can do something, does not mean you can do it in the cookiecutter way that the Western Workforce Paradigm wants its participants to do it. That is one of the factors of disability, that, no matter how hard you try, your ability to work is hampered by the rest of society not being able to bend themselves.

Also, if you write original fic but it started as a fanfic, I still think you owe the original content creators royalties.

[(Anonymous)]

+1, if you have a disability that even allows you to work an average of 40 hours a week, but you don't have any control over when, it's unsurprisingly hard to get a job! Very few employers want someone who can do 20 hours this week but 60 next week with no notice. It is possible, if you already have certain kinds of jobs and a reasonable employer, to work with your employer to negotiate differently, but you have to be already hired, be tricky to replace, and have a job that can be done in a way that works for you. That eliminates an awful lot of jobs...

I still think selling fic is wrong and advertising it on AO3 is stupid and should be reported, but "just get a job" isn't the winner you think it is.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't run into that, but if I did I quite honestly would block the author. I agree that that is some bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'd mute that author. (Don't agree that writing consistently = definitely able to hold down a job, though.) What fandom have you seen this in?

[feotakahari]

I’ve got to wonder how much money this actually pulls. I mean, Fifty Shades sold to people who didn’t even know it was fanfic. If you’re trying to sell your “new story” to folks who were specifically looking for fanfic of the original characters, that seems like a harder sell.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never seen someone do this, I won't rule out that it happens but given how much fanfic there is out there unless they're writing for a very small niche I cannot imagine this would really bring in much money at all because you can just... go find more.

I don't agree with your statement about working on something fun vs the capitalist grind(and how difficult writing jobs can be to get), but you are free to find them pay-walling future fic annoying because I wouldn't engage with that either.

[(Anonymous)]

I think according to AO3's terms this is legitimately a bannable offence. Report them!

[(Anonymous)]

People don't use the report feature enough over there. I was in a fandom once where there was a trend tonuse ao3 like tumblr - posting fic searchs, 'plot bunnies', etc. I reported every one I came across with glee.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, stop being such an anti. Let people make a living if they have to. If you start restricting people like that, you just know they'll take it as a first step into getting more stuff they don't like banned. You are either an anti, or an idiot who is happy to enable them.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd really be interested to know what fandoms you're seeing this in. I haven't seen this at all, though I don't doubt some douches are doing it.

[(Anonymous)]

I tend to see it in mega-fandoms and have personally seen it in Legend of Zelda, Harry Potter and Star Wars. One of the most prolific offenders who got kicked off AO3 for breaching their rules constantly was Flamethrower aka deadcatwithaflamethrower and they were making a lot of money.

[(Anonymous)]

It's against AO3's TOS to mention a patreon at all, let alone to provide a link for it. AO3 will ask the author to remove links if people report them.

[(Anonymous)]

And give the antis an open door to get other stuff banned? Fuck that. Do Not Do That. Just let people go, and don't give the antis a way in.

[(Anonymous)]

Putting sequels on Patreon is bullshit, I agree. But I'm not sure it's that easy to find a WFH job that will actually pay more than peanuts.

[(Anonymous)]

You have a lot to learn about disabilities.

But the rest is bullshit and I’d report them to AO3.

[(Anonymous)]

It baffles me that there are people who charge for fanfic. That was not a thing when I was reading it regularly. That's the kind of thing that could get it all shut down, I thought everyone knew that.

[nanslice]

The commercialization of fandom has been a huge bummer for a while now. I miss when it was just a hobby people were passionate about.

[(Anonymous)]

I’ve come across a few similar :( I just block them. The update are always drama in the persons real life and never just the porn.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah they could get a job they would make more money but then they couldnt make their personality their illness.

[(Anonymous)]

I have reached the point where I don't trust anyone in fandom who is asking me for money due to X issue that they supposedly have. These are scammers, plain and simple.

[(Anonymous)]

- Directing people to Patreon is against AO3 TOS and can be reported.

- That person talking about antis is a troll or has no idea what they're talking about. Issues related to artistic expression and freedom of speech are entirely separate from monetization concerns. There is no slippery slope here, and the anti phenomenon is entirely about the former.

- I'm confused by the part at the bottom where you mentioned paying, being denied the content you paid for, and not being able to be refunded. Did you pay actual money to the authors of these fic to get a followup, or are you saying that your comments were "payment" that you feel the need to be reimbursed for since the story ended on a cliffhanger??

- The ableism response is bullshit. That said, I do understand why people feel the need to monetize their creative hobbies in this bad economy and the years of post-neoliberal dismantling of decent jobs + tech libertarian propaganda that has marketed gig work as the ultimate liberation of workers. That said, I don't think starting a writing Patreon for your novel-length fic-with-serial-numbers-filed-off is a good idea or practical (gig work rarely is), and people often have an unrealistic idea of how much money they can make off of fannish/self-pub writing, partly fueled also by authors' delusions of the quality and market value of their writing. If you're disabled, you're probably better off finding a full-time job with working conditions that are compatible with your disability (they do exist, although they may be uncommon or hard to get into -- you need to do research) than trying to make a living off of Patreon income... It'll be less fun/creative, sure, but it's less stress and more money and more consistent money, which ultimately makes for a happier and better life for someone with a disability.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorta related, at one fandom I am a part of there is one BNF who writes their fics as their main source of income outside of disability benefits. When I see "please pay $1 on Ko-fi to read this" on a fic of theirs (obviously not on AO3), I don't read that fic. Purely because I don't want to pay to read fics. I could read and not pay but it's the principle. Not curious enough to actually read and pay so I'm not going to read.

But TBH Secret OP, I felt it's a bit judge-y to be like "why don't you get a real job?"

I get the frustration of the bait and switch, I personally wouldn't want to give a writer any of my time if they are to be like, "Finish this fic on my patreon as original fiction so I can get money" but I wouldn't want to dig into their disability claims because IMO that's not something I want to get caught up speculating on.

Like, disabled folks already have people questioning their disability on a regular basis, I don't want to participate in questioning someone's disability unless it was something very serious going on.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd block that author in a heart beat.

[(Anonymous)]

If they're directing people from AO3 to patreon, report them.