[ SECRET POST #1040 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1040 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

101.


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102.
[That Guy With the Glasses]


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103.
[Doctor Who]


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104.
[Hetalia/Say Anything]


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105.
[Tekkonkinkreet]


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106.
[Persona 3 and 4]


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107.
[Iron Man Armoured Adventures]


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108.
[Julia Nunes/Jake/Amir]


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109.
[Where the Wild Things Are]


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110.
[Zeta Gundam]


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111.
[Supernatural]


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112.
[500 Days of Summer]


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113.
[The Jungle Book]


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114.
[Kal Ho Naa Ho, Amélie]


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115.
[Eli Roth/Blueberries/Inglorious Basterds]


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116.
[Supernatural]


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117.
[Heroes]


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118.
[X-Factor]


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119.
[V (2009)]


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120.
[Lackadaisy]


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121.
[Battlestar Galactica]


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122.
[Arrested Development]


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123.
[Star Trek XI]


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124.
[Supernatural, Heroes]


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125.
[iCarly]


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126.
[Gorillaz]


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127.
[Gundam 00]


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128.
[The Spoony Experiment/That Guy With the Glasses]


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129.
[Rocky Horror Picture Show]


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130.
[Giftpia/Captain Rainbow]


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131.
[The Twelve Kingdoms]


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132.
[Mina and the Count]


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133.
[Drake and Josh]


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134.
[Newsies, Sloan]


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135.
[Cillian Murphy & Liam Neeson]


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136.
[Rachel Leigh Cook]


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137.
[Glee/Apollo Justice]


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138.
[Drake and Josh]


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139.
[Mad Men]


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140.
[Haley Joel Osment]


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141.
[SMT III: Nocturne]


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142.
[Girl Genius]


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143.
[Ghostbusters]


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144.
[Zombieland]


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145.
[Thomas Kretschmann & Adrien Brody]


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146.
[My Girl]


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147.
[Rivers Cuomo/Sara Bareilles ]


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148.
[there she is]


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149.
[Sherlock Holmes]


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150.
[Utena]


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151.
[Flash Forward]


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152.
[Team Fortress 2]


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153.
[Michael Buble]


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154.
[Steve Winwood/Val Kilmer]


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155.
[NCIS]


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156.
[Tim Kring, Heroes]


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157.
[My Life As A Teenage Robot]


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158.
[The Joker Blogs]


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159.
[Moulin Rouge]


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160.
[The Tudors]


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161.
[World of Quest]


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162.
[Star Trek: Voyager]


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163.
[NCIS]


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164.
[Wrestling]


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165.
[Alex Rider: Stormbreaker]


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166.
[McLeod's Daughters]


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167.
[merlin/kaamelott]


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168.
[Heard]


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169.
[Buffy, Torchwood and Firefly]


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170.
[Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends/Cartoon Network Fusion Fall]


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171.
[The Mighty Boosh]


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172.
[Flashforward]


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173.
[Heroes/Torchwood/The Dark Knight]


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174.
[Billy Bibbit/Angela Orosco]


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175.
[Eastwick]


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176.
[Fefe Dobson & Michael Seater]


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177.
[MouseHunt/Avatar: The Last Airbender]


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178.
[flight of the conchords]


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179.
[Letter Bee]


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180.
[Dragnet]


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181.
[Simon Schama]


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182.
[Cirque du Freak, Doctor Who]


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183.
[Hurt]


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184.
[Welcome to Dongmakgol]


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185.
[Inspector Lewis/Laurence Fox/Alan Rickman]


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186.
[Bleach/V for Vendetta]


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187.
[The Dresden Files]


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188.
[stay]



Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 12 pages, 282 secrets from Secret Submission Post #149.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - why don't you check the comm you listed as the fandom? ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

111. http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1646/might.jpg
[Supernatural]

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. I tend to tune people like that out as well. Their sense of entitlement is massive, and unfortunately, they're usually much louder than everyone else.

[llivla.livejournal.com]

This bugs me too. Much like claiming to understand Aerith/Cloud/etc's character in FFVII when you've only seen AC. And again, reading the wiki summaries is NOT THE SAME.

[silver-miko.livejournal.com]

What specifically about the Winchester's relationship are these 'Season 4 and up' only people are pointing out/arguing about that's ticking you off?

[(Anonymous)]

They added a "THIRD" main character to the show (before it was only 2 brothers, now it is 2 brothers and an angel from Season 4, bringinjg in a LOT of new fans).

[silver-miko.livejournal.com]

So it bothers you that they argue there's three main characters or that Castiel is a "third main"?

[(Anonymous)]

DA
Castiel is a regular, not a main character, which means he appears on the show pretty often but have a lot, lot less screen time than the brothers and thank god for that.

[ginzai.livejournal.com]

Depends. Are you saying that only people who have watched since S1 aired can comment on characterization? Or are you saying that only people who have actually watched it should get a say?

Either way, I don't fully agree but I do think people should watch the earlier seasons to get a full understanding of where these characters are coming from and if they haven't, they should be prepared to be smacked down when they screw up on canon events - and that they should accept that with grace. Then again, I came in late myself and I DID catch myself up fully before starting to poke around in fandom, only to discover that a lot of the old time fans hadn't rewatched those older episodes recently and so had forgotten a lot of things that happened in them. Seriously, I want anyone who complains about Sam being OOC in S4 to go back and rewatch the first three seasons - that darkness in the boy didn't just come out of the blue!

[(Anonymous)]

Apologize for the tangent, but in my experience a lot of the people that take issue with Sam's characterization in S4 often feel like what the writers did was a very half-assed version at best of the darkside turn they'd been building toward for three years.

And that's beside some other general issues with him being OOC.

[ginzai.livejournal.com]

It's Supernatural - I think tangents are kind of required. :)

See, I've noticed a lot of people complaining at that during S5, but hardly any at all were saying the same during S4, even when he was doing some highly dubious and morally suspect things. I agree that it could have been handled better, but the absolute refusal on the part of some to see the incredibly dark things he was doing in S4 as actually bad things combined with a general resentment of the concept of ANYONE taking Sam to task for his S4 behavior or daring to hold him accountable for his actions is fanwanking of the highest order.

It comes across to me as people having been in denial in S4 and then being bitter about it in S5, which is a shame because Sam going dark side has been foreshadowed since the early episodes of S1. The issue I have is that I found the concept of a hero going darkside out of love and despair caused by love to be incredibly appealing and it seems that they sort of retconned it to be nothing more than a lust for power. And while yes, I see Sam as having control issues to no end, he has so much love in him as well that I'm left at a loss for why TPTB didn't bother to incorporate some of that in as well.

Plus, I'm kind of left going "what, that's it?" at the semi-evil Sam we did get. He hit his lowest point in terms of sheer inhuman scariness in 4x21 but was wibbling again by 4x22. When they were building up to evil!Sam, I was expecting something a bit more, I don't know, evil. And not because of Lucifer either.

[llivla.livejournal.com]

The issue I have is that I found the concept of a hero going darkside out of love and despair caused by love to be incredibly appealing and it seems that they sort of retconned it to be nothing more than a lust for power.
Oh man this is so my issue too.

I'm left at a loss for why TPTB didn't bother to incorporate some of that in as well.
Yeah. TBTB wanted everyone to think Sam had gone evil, and hid Sam's love for Dean to do it (until 4.21 showing that out of everything, his longing for a normal life, need to believe he's good, need for power, yadda yadda, Dean's love/opinion/acceptance is the core of Sam's psyche), but the problem is the writers forgot to show and tell the rest after the reveal. THEY know how much Sam loves Dean, or how Kripke said in an interview how much Sam hates himself for hurting Dean, but a lot of that for some reason isn't making it to the final product. Like the deleted scenes in Free to Be showing Sam and Dean mistaking other people for each other and being CRUSHED. I hated to think so pessimistically, but I coincide the loss of consistently showing both brothers' motivations and points of view to the loss of Kim Manners.

He hit his lowest point in terms of sheer inhuman scariness in 4x21
I find it interesting you say that when he drained a human in 4.22. (Much like Lucifer Rising being so obvious what it's about in the title: "yeah yeah, Lucifer's here, MOVING ON WHAT ABOUT DEAN AND SAM THAT'S ALL I REALLY CARE ABOUT")

Plus, I'm kind of left going "what, that's it?" at the semi-evil Sam we did get...When they were building up to evil!Sam, I was expecting something a bit more, I don't know, evil.
And I wonder if that's the point, Sam doesn't have it in him to be evil, only dark (and seriously, seriously fucked up). Castiel/Uriel/Zach/Lucifer/Meg/Azazel/even John -- all of them foisted hideous expectations on Sam, and of Sam on Dean, without ever really attempting to understand Sam himself.

[llivla.livejournal.com]

Seriously, I want anyone who complains about Sam being OOC in S4 to go back and re-watch the first three seasons - that darkness in the boy didn't just come out of the blue!
LMAO, were they sleeping through his Jessica-torment in S1, his self-fear and wanting to die in S2, and his plain crazy looming in S3? Sam's face in the last scene of the pilot, and Dean's watching Sam, and hell, the second episode, Wendigo, showed he doesn't take pain well. And his family issues? His OCD? Man. It's true that had S2!Sam seen himself in S4 he'd have probably shot himself in the head on the spot to prevent it, but, woah. In S1 he didn't *mean* to kill someone else for Dean, of course, believed it was God who answered his prayers instead of that lady killing people she found blasphemous, but the atmosphere of 'Faith' after he found out the truth was that even if Sam could go back in time, he'd had STILL made the same decision and saved Dean anyway. Well, probably would have saved Dean from being electrocuted in the first place and killed two birds with one stone, but yeah.

only to discover that a lot of the old time fans hadn't rewatched those older episodes recently and so had forgotten a lot of things that happened in them
Equally bad.

My beef is that people who only started watching in S4/5 have NO idea how much not only losing Dean broke Sam, but also the cruel twist of Sam's sincere faith. Episodes S1-3(ish when he started going nuts) of him believing in good without needing a sign broke me to itty bitty pieces when he gave up and closed off to any voices but his own in S4. Then there's the new fans who hate on Sam for being "all hunting"/always evil/never loved Dean, and how Dean just wants to settle down and be normal. They have no idea just how wrong the first part is, or how bitterly hilarious the second.

[ginzai.livejournal.com]

Oh man, Sam has been slightly unhinged since the very beginning. THAT IS WHY HE IS SO AWESOME. XD

Seriously, I don't understand the appeal of the poor, put upon woobie puppy faced Sammy who can do no wrong. Vaguely crazy Sam with his OCD and insane intelligence and massive issues and UTTER KICKASSERY is so much more entertaining!

I totally agree that S2!Sam would be horrified with S4!Sam and yes, probably would attempt to kill himself before Dean thwapped him upside the head and yelled at him. Then again, even S2!Sam can't understand what S4!Sam went through. Makes me wonder where S3!Sam (especially post Mystery Spot) would fall on that concept.

Then there's the new fans who hate on Sam for being "all hunting"/always evil/never loved Dean, and how Dean just wants to settle down and be normal.

Man, there are ESSAYS that could be written about the concept of Dean's sour grapes philosophy when it comes to hunting in S1 as compared to Sam's obsession in S4 and how they switched roles. It's even more interesting to me since Sam in S4 was almost the age Dean was in S1 - kind of interesting that they both went through the same "rar, hunting!!" phase at the same age. And the thing is that S1!Dean? Honestly loved hunting! He didn't think he could do much else besides it, true, but he DID love hunting. It made him happy. S4!Sam though? It's just a job to him, not a passion. It's the fear of doing anything else that keeps him trapped in it. :( Dean thought he was a freak, so he might as well make the most of it; Sam thought he was a monster, and through saving others, he might redeem himself.

I fully agree that people who haven't seen the early seasons should do so before they make any judgments on Sam or Dean. There's so much backstory and growth there that I can't imagine NOT doing so!

[(Anonymous)]

IA. Especially when they also take a "Castiel can say/do no wrong" stance when it comes to his treatment of the brothers this season, without even knowing what the guys have been through to get to this point or how deep their issues really go.

[(Anonymous)]

This so much. I mean, I love season four and five is great so far, but you really need to watch the first three seasons to understand the Winchesters.

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

Couldn't agree more. I actually only got onboard this season and am a huge shrieking Castiel fangirl (although I actually got into it in the first place for Mark Pellegrino...it's a long story) and I'm in the midst of a huge marathon, starting at S1 and going straight through. I'm gonna do this fangirl thing right. (Today is day 8; I'm up to 2x07.)

[zanzou-chan.livejournal.com]

I've been very pleased by all the "I DIDN'T WANT TO, BUT I SHIP IT" secrest we:Wincest lately. I suspect it's people who got in because of Castiel fangasm, but then backtracked and were converted.

[soymaid.livejournal.com]

Haha, yes. Sam is being seduced to the dark side, and SO ARE THEY!

[(Anonymous)]

unfortunately I agree with you. I always say that I welcome new fans and that it doesn't matter when you get into the show, just that you did. However, if they only started watching when Castiel showed up and they're his biggest fans... I do doubt them when it comes to the brothers.

[minalskare.livejournal.com]

Are there actually people who started watching that late into the show and who didn't bother to back track and catch up? Or do you still have a problem with people who happen to arrive late for the party?

I didn't start watching until the end of season 4 and even then I wasn't that happy with what I saw(probably because I was unbelievably lost on the plot.) But I caught up. I've seen every episode, some more than once and I don't see how being late should discredit my opinion.
/rant

[(Anonymous)]

I think the OP's point is that people who haven't caught up shouldn't pretend that they know more about the brothers and the story than people who've watched the entire story.

I don't see why it should matter when someone became a fan of the series, it matters that they've watched the whole thing before making judgements or arguments against something someone who's watched all of it has said about it.

I was late to the party, too, and I've not caught up on the series, but I started from the beginning and I plan to watch all of it before digging my nose in the fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

It sounds like they're talking about the people who won't watch seasons 1-3, probably because Castiel isn't in them.

[minalskare.livejournal.com]

That's crazy talk.

[jensenrick.livejournal.com]

MTE!

[riveryklown.livejournal.com]

LoL do people actually do that? So wrong.