[ SECRET POST #1669 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1669 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Spiderman/Hellblazer]


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[The Coldfire Trilogy]


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[Death Note]


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[Law & Order: SVU]


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08. http://i.imgur.com/DjgOe.gif
[linked for flashing .gif (OP's warning)]


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09. http://i51.tinypic.com/28hloxg.jpg
[linked for gag-porny; Menage a 3]


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10. http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9436/14994542.png
[linked for nudity; the Meek]


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[500 days of summer]


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[Legends of the Hidden Temple]


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[Cardcaptor Sakura]


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[Sailor Moon]


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(Megaman Legends 3)


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(Winners & losers)


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[Doctor Who]


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[Stan Lee]


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[Captain America]


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[Chachamaru, GACKTJob]


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[Alice's adventures in Wonderland and through the looking glass]


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[Downton Abbey]


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34. [SPOILERS for the Dreamer]



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35. [SPOILERS for The Powerpuff Girls Movie]



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36. [SPOILERS for Tiger & Bunny]



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37. [SPOILERS for HP]



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40. [SPOILERS for Tales of Symphonia ]



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41. [TRIGGER WARNING for eating disorders]



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42. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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43. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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44. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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45. [TRIGGER WARNING for suicide]



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46. [TRIGGER WARNING for sexual harrassment]



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47. [TRIGGER WARNING for stalking]



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48. [TRIGGER WARNING for suicide]



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49. [TRIGGER WARNING for suicide]

[Rudyard Kipling/Jungle Book]















Notes:

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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

42.
http://i52.tinypic.com/1rt37n.jpg

[redseeker]

I don't like it either.

[(Anonymous)]

As an alternate explanation, I use "noncon" because I make a distinction between "noncon" and "dubcon" -- and I find that set of terms more elegant than "rape" and "sort-of squickyish?" ;)

[(Anonymous)]

...huh? I can't really fathom how "non-consensual" would be an offensive term. I mean, if it was something like "surprise sex!" then, yeah, that would be trivializing rape...

[(Anonymous)]

How is it hypocritical?

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, I'll bite. I respect your right to prefer a certain term. But how is it hypocritical?

[xelestri.livejournal.com]

I agree. I really, really dislike the term "non-con" entirely, because seriously, it's just a prettier word for "rape". In my mind, there is absolutely no difference between a non-consenting adult, and rape. I mean, literally the definition of rape involves the use of the term "without consent", so I get really squicked out when I see people using the term "non-con".

[yucari.livejournal.com]

I've heard 2 arguments in this regard. One is that there's a valid semantic difference; the terms have different connotations. "Non-con" implies that a story is purely for pornographic value, while "rape" implies that a story will actually address the horror and trauma surrounding the act. (Or maybe it's the reverse. I've never actually heard them formally defined, only subjectively. People tend to concoct these personal definitions for terms and then fight to the death over them.) The other argument is that the word "rape" itself can be triggery for people, and the term non-con makes coming across such labels safer for them. Then again, AO3 labels it as "rape/non-con", so idefk about that.

Dunno how I feel about either argument, in part because they tend to be so wishy-washy and not very clearly defined. But I label and warn for rape by default, so meh.

[(Anonymous)]

... but rape is non-consensual sex. For your argument, there's an equally valid counter-argument that if you can only find rape abhorrent when it's called an abhorrent word, and not for what it is - that is, sex which is not consensual - then maybe you're doing something wrong, too.

[(Anonymous)]

To me, non-con is fic about rape that's for people who have rape fantasies and is intended to arouse. Rapefic is fic about rape that is not intended to arouse and is instead about how horrific rape actually is. Whether or not you have issues with people who have rape fantasies, I think it's an important distinction to make.

[baxaronn.livejournal.com]

I used to be very badly squicked by needles, so much that even seeing the word - even in the context of sewing or knitting - would make me feel sick. I didn't need the squick itself to be affected - just the word.

That's why I warn for "noncon".

[writerserenyty.livejournal.com]

I agree; I mean, if it's something a bit less cut and dry then label it as such. Rape is rape.

[oflittlebrain.livejournal.com]

not all non-consensual sexual acts are rape in the strictest sense. in other words, a fic in which a character is molested would qualify as non-con but necessarily rapefic, right? so i think that label can be useful. also, rape victims CAN be triggered just by the word, so if it's a euphemism it can still be useful for that purpose?

i also think you've misused the word "hypocritical" here, since i can't see where it could possibly apply...

[(Anonymous)]

i always thought the usage of noncon vs rape was a courtesy. like, to make reading warnings less upsetting for rape survivors? i know my experiences are hardly universal, but i'm a survivor and if i've already had a lousy day i sometimes get upset just seeing the word 'rape' if i don't expect it, so if someone uses noncon in their warnings instead of rape i usually like that more.

but i probably give fandom too much credit. :(

You're new here, aren't you?

[(Anonymous)]

"Hypocritical" does not mean what you think it means.

"Noncon" is a fictional trope used to describe a certain kink. It does not exist in the real world, just like "dubcon". There's not a universal definition, but noncon is nearly always a story written for kink value, not a story that attempts to paint a realistic depiction of real world sexual assault. Those sorts of fics are usually labeled with a rape warning. Noncon also covers all nonconsensual sex acts, not just rape. A nonconsensual hand job isn't rape under the law; it's some variation on sexual assault/molestation/sexual battery. If it's written as a kink for people to fap to, it's noncon.

Your argument is specious, and you can just as easily flip it around and say that labeling a kink fic "rape" is trivializing actual rape and offensive to actual victims because noncon is so often written with shades of the "secretly wants/likes it" trope. Stories about rape are not.

[ivanolix.livejournal.com]

I use non-con for fics where, for instance, a character is forcibly kissed/touched sexually. This is a non-consensual act, but since it's not "sex", all the connotations for the word rape would be misapplied. It's just as wrong as rape, but I think the word non-con is more appropriate.

Also, considering how much rape fantasy is written and labelled as non-con, I don't think that it's really a euphemism. It's a word with different connotations, used for a fic where rape has different connotations because it's a fictional fantasy.

And really, how is it even a euphemism in the first place?!?! Non-consensual is not anything tolerable! Euphemisms are supposed to make something sound acceptable, not be blunt about an utterly wrong act.

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

If it bugs you, it bugs you; that's what venting on f!s is all about. But I use "noncon" as a euphemism for "rape" in the same way people use "watersports" for "urine play," for example. Using euphemisms is a long-standing tradition for kink descriptions, especially those which make others say "ewwww."

If it helps, I'm annoyed when "noncon" is interpreted as anything other than "rape."

[velvet-mace.livejournal.com]

As a reader of non-con and dub-con, I prefer when writers reserve the word rape for gritty, painful, realistic fics, and use non-con for the fics that are lighter and more kink oriented fics.

Not that they do, the two are used pretty interchangeably. But that would actually be a useful distinction.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who habitually avoids anything tagged with "non-con" I really do not understand this secret.

I prefer to avoid the lesser phrase rather than the horribly realistic description of what I do not want to read.

You may see it as hypocritical, but I see it as people not forcing me to hear the brutal description of what I have been through.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing that really gets to me about this secret is the use of "hypocritical."

Are you confused about the meaning of that word, OP?

[ruadragon.livejournal.com]

I'm agree with all those above who say non-con is used to refer to stories where the rape aspect is written to be hot/arousing.

This is why I really, really like the term 'non-con', because rape fantasy is very, very different from actual rape, and anything you can do to seperate the two is a good thing.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm quite surprised to find that the OP and commenters in this thread actually believe that "non-con" is a euphemism. It's not. You guys should learn what words mean before you complain about their meanings!

[(Anonymous)]

On a purely logistical level, "rape" can't always be searched on certain websites because it's too short of a word, but "noncon" or "non-con" is.

BUT, overall, I've always thought that "non-con" developed to be distinguished from "dub-con". I read non-con and rapefic relatively often, and I've never gone into a certain one tagged with one or the other without getting what I though I was getting: the event (or a description) and the aftermath. I feel like non-con fic written just for pornographic value should be labeled "kink" as well as "non-con" since it's appealing to a certain kink. And I've absolutely never met anyone who finds non-con to be a euphemism for rape, since it's undoubtedly going to be mentioned and labeled in the fic.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

I understand the word "rape" itself can be triggering. I also understand that "non-con" can be interpreted as a "softer" euphemism. I don't think it is, knowing what non-con means, and the number of other euphemisms that would diminish the trauma of the act, but I can see how it might bother others. /KanyeShrug

If you have any other suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't speak to the meanings of the terms in your fandom, but back in the Usenet days those of us who wrote erotic fiction for alt.sex.stories distinguished between "rape" and "non-con" because they referred to two very different styles of erotic fantasy, with audiences that didn't fully overlap.

It's a little difficult to talk about the difference without risking triggering people, but a scenario that would be "non-con" without being "rape" would be the old classic erotic-fiction trope of a stern headmaster who summons the meek female student into his office, applies corporal punishment for some trifling infraction and moves from there into forcing the student to sate his lusts.  Now, is that "rape" in the conventional sense of the word?  Certainly it is.  But if you tagged such a story "rape" you'd get complaints that it should have been tagged "non-con" instead, that the headmaster simply using his authority and the implied threats he can bring to bear to force the student's compliance just doesn't hit the buttons that someone looking for "rape"-tagged stories is looking for.  (And vice-versa, of course; a tale of one stranger forcing compliance of another through physical force is not "non-con," it's "rape.")

Frequently people would crusade into the group, furious that we "didn't understand" that "no means no" and whenever sex ensues despite one of the parties saying "no" it's rape.  Each and every time we'd have to explain that that was the case in the real world but we were well aware we were writing fiction, and furthermore wanted to write fiction that hewed closest to the fantasies of the people we were writing for.  It got pretty tiring, explaining it over and over again. =(