[ SECRET POST #1843 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1843 ⌋


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Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 50 secrets from Secret Submission Post #263.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

17. http://i.imgur.com/oBEO6.jpg

[smittenlotus.livejournal.com]

I think some of the anti-scanlation people forget that finding specific manga at your local bookstore (in America anyway) isn't always easy. Some of my favorite series have never been in my local stores, and if it weren't for the internet I'd probably have never heard of them let alone been able to find them. Icon also related.

[childings.livejournal.com]

Well, to be fair, it's usually easier and cheaper to buy off of amazon.com (unless they don't ship to your country)

[writerserenyty.livejournal.com]

True story. Especially if the favorite series is discontinued and I only have six volumes. (Icon very much related).

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Very true. I mean, clearly getting a review copy given to you vs pirating is different, but I agree that it's hypocritical to be so snobby about it. Manga in particular is fuckin' expensive at $10-$12 a volume! And a typical volume is what, five chapters? And most series are at least a dozen volumes, and many are as many as twenty...and that's not the long-runners like Naruto. A 12-volume series at $10 a piece is $120 for the whole series...and most likely, you could get pretty much the same story animated and dubbed for $50 or less, even though that cost way more to produce.
This is why I typically stick to anime instead of manga. There are some manga I like, but it's way more economical to be into anime. Even more so if you go to Netflix or Hulu.

[(Anonymous)]

TBH, I think this attitude is crap.

I'll concede that piracy has probably never been as widespread as it is now, but a lot of things would have never been available to me, especially when I was younger, if it hadn't been for privacy.

When I was a teenager, I used to spend almost all the money I had on fandom-related stuff. However, I could only afford about one book every two weeks or so, whereas books generally don't take me more than a few hours to read. So I pirated the rest, and if it was good, I would get it when I could afford it.

Now that I have more disposable income, I do the same. I pirate things, and when I love them, I buy them to support the makers. Pretty much all my friends who are around my age do the same. I don't really see how it's that different, fundamentally, from borrowing something from your friends and then buying it if you like it.

[royalbk.livejournal.com]

(http://imgur.com/nOrVA)

I am from Europe - also known as the land with no animanga culture whatsoever...or at least so it seems from my backwater country in which everything I want has to be shipped from America or no place at all.

Our money is neither euro nor dollars and it's darn hard to part with 30$ for something. Once I did - brought myself a second season of Magic Knight Rayearth, remastered and sparkly and all that...and shipping ended up costing me 120$ EXTRA. EXTRA!

DARN IT NEVER AGAIN! so I lie to myself while struggling with wanting to give credit to some of my absolute favorite animanga artists while knows what shipping taxes await should I try

;___________;

P.S: Also...also! The very same thing I brought with a whooping 150$ appeared on the netz after a few months. THE.SAME.REMASTERED.VERSION

...and people wonder why piracy flourishes. Really?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm going to sound like a dick but no way I'm paying 13 bucks for one book that I'd probably never read again. I only really buy short series or one shots that I REALLY like.

[(Anonymous)]

Then don't read them if they're not worth their cost. Simple.

[netbug009.livejournal.com]

...But you are?

I mean, I'm guessing manga get sent to you to review them. Reviews DO support the industry. You're writing to earn your manga.

I'm alright with scanlations because the delay between volumes hitting the US and being released in Japan is usually atrocious, and then I buy the volumes when they come out. But your reasoning is flawed IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP, but I think what they're main complaint is the fact that the reviewers are taking the stance of 'YOU SHOULD BUY IT OR YOUR A HORRIBLE PERSON' without actually buying it themselves, more than their actual attitude towards piracy.

[(Anonymous)]

I had no problem with the "I scanlate because there's no way to buy them in my country" thing until I realized it's an empty excuse.

I run a shop that sells anime goods and gets a fair amount of interest; I made the mistake of buying a couple volumes of a manga that everybody said "I'd buy if I could find them!" so that people could purchase them to support the series.

Despite the price being the less than it would be to buy a volume regularly, not a single person has been interested. At all. Ever. Despite other books having to do with the same series being some of my best sellers, nobody wants to buy something if they can get it for free, legal or not.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? Because, you know, online sales of Monty Python recordings went up something like 800% after the team made massive swathes of it available for free.

[lashiec.livejournal.com]

I own a considerable amount of manga. I'm sure plenty of people have more, but enough to where I've clearly supported the industry, 3 bookshelves or so.

HOWEVER...

My favorite series have ended, are discontinued or no longer in stock. Or incredibly pricey in stores where I prefer to buy, in the case of anything Darkhorse publishes. So I freely admit I have not bought new manga in 5 years or so.

That would change in a heartbeat if they'd release more Slayers stateside. Or would re-release the stuff I was too poor to get when I was too young for a job. JUST 'SAYIN.

[(Anonymous)]

To me, reading scanlations is like using a virtual library.
I still support the artists in any way I can if I like what they've got to offer. I live in a country where the manga selection is small (they only started publishing it less than ten years ago, and that was because of the internet and the popularity of some of the scanlations available).

And how do people think publishers pick their manga titles? Do people honestly think everyone in the manga publishing industry instantly know "what's hot and would sell well" if it weren't for the scans and the fans reactions to them?

Honestly.
(Yes I'm aware there exist people who know quality manga even without consulting the Internet.)

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

how do people think publishers pick their manga titles? Do people honestly think everyone in the manga publishing industry instantly know "what's hot and would sell well" if it weren't for the scans and the fans reactions to them?

This pretty much sums up my problems with the industry's attitude toward piracy. Like, why did Anime Expo know to focus so much on legally acquiring rights to Durarara this year? Nobody in the United States was supposed to have ever seen it, right?

It's not that piracy has no negative effect - there's an anon in this thread who gave a pretty good personal example of being in a store with a cheap and rare item nobody was buying because they could get it for free - but this idea that it's all bad seems to be completely ignoring all the free marketing the industry gleans from fansubs.

[(Anonymous)]

I read lots of scanlations. And when there's a scanlation I really love, I buy the manga (it definitely helps that I live in Japan, understand Japanese enough to justify the purchase, and manga is extremely cheap and easy to procure here). I like to think I'm helping foster good habits in the world of manga and not support people whose work isn't all that good or is downright revolting.

[oflittlebrain.livejournal.com]

BLUH MANGA IS JUST SO EXPENSIVE. i used to buy it all the time when i was a kid, but i pretty much only buy quality one-shot manga now that i can no longer get my parents to buy me everything i want. viz's "sigikki" line has been very kind to me in that respect; they tend to publish the more obscure seinen that i'm really into. i would recommend stuff from that line to anyone who wants to buy something that is worth their while! the presentation and design of the covers is also really nice. among others, i've bought inio asano's what a wonderful world, natsume ono's not simple and la quinta camera, and fumi yoshinaga's ooku from that line, all of which i've read more than once. also detroit metal city, which is a little different... but, um, it came with free temporary tattoos! haha. the point is, i never would have chosen those great manga if not for piracy! i read oyasumi punpun online which prompted me to buy more of inio asano's works, etc.

anyway. i donated a metric fuckton of old manga to my local library, so some kid out there with bad google-fu now has access to everything koge-donbo has ever written...

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Oh shit yes Oyasumi Punpun...the author has more works? Available in the US?
...I'm listening...

[(Anonymous)]

I always kind of wonder what people's stance is on downloading the scanlations, buying the manga, and then continuing to use the scanlations because the scanlator put more serious thought and effort into their translation than the person getting paid for it did.

Partly because, other than to support the author, it feels like the free offering is the higher-quality product and there's little motivation to purchase it as a result (though I obviously do). I'm not sure if that's weird or not?

[streetcake.livejournal.com]

I've been buying Keroro Gunso/Sgt. Frog loyally since the first volumes, but now that Tokyopop is going under(??) I won't be able to get it anymore. It's not like I've found any scanlations of their most recent stuff anyway, but if I knew where to find them I would read them. It's not that I don't want to support the creator, it's that I don't have that option!

I know a lot of guys pirate because they don't want to spend money or they're under the impression that piracy doesn't effect the creator's income, but it's not always as simple as that. I wish that reviewers who say that kind of stuff would acknowledge that and maaaybe give some tips and suggestions for other ways to support the creators.

[astrokittie.livejournal.com]

I want to buy manga, but none of the genres/titles I like ever get licensed and published in English.

Seriously English publishers, I honestly do want to throw money at you!

[(Anonymous)]

I really wish the Japanese Manga publishers would publish their magazines digital online -- translated of course -- because tbh I would pay for the subscription.

As of right now I honestly don't want to buy hardcopies because my preference is toward digital. Especially considering that I read yaoi and I really don't want people to know about that. That, and my children would think that they are kid orientated and be looking at them.

[(Anonymous)]

OP, if you think manga reviewers are condecending about it, try western comics fans.

[(Anonymous)]

I used to buy a lot of manga, but I stopped when I noticed that they more often that not had censored a lot of (mainly gay) stuff put of them. Adding to that the translation quality isn't always even decent. Now I only buy series that I know are uncensored and in good translation quality.