[ SECERT POST #1846 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1846 ⌋


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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

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[(Anonymous)]

Disney adaptions have never been completely true to their original stories, real or not, so I don't know why this continues to surprise people.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Disney adaptions have never been completely true to their original stories

I think you mean, "no movie in the history of films have ever been completely true to their original stories".

Honestly, I wish people would stop ragging on Disney for doing the same thing every movie company does.
/icon very related

[childings.livejournal.com]

I think maybe this is a bit different because it's the first time Disney did a movie that kind of ... spit in the face of the history of oppression of indigenous people in North America. Also I can't think of any other animated movies they've done right off hand that dealt directly with actual HISTORY and not just a fictional story. The story of Pocahontas wasn't a fairy tale

[(Anonymous)]

This one stands out as worse to me because it's presumably based off of a historical event, not a folktale like most of Disney's other movies, and on top of that it comes from a part of history that was full of unspeakable horrors that tend to get glossed over even in classrooms.

Not saying that no one should ever watch or enjoy Pocahontas, but it is understandable to be upset (and, in OP's case, shocked) by it.

[(Anonymous)]

Most Americans know very little of most other countries' history (and I'm saying this as an American), so I really don't think there's any shame in not knowing the Pocahontas story. It's one of those things we learned as little kids in school--albeit in a very sanitized version--and I wouldn't expect you to have done the same.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Yeah I'm always pretty appalled when an American gets so mad at non-Americans who don't fully know American history when they don't know nearly as much about the other person's country and history.

[mskye.livejournal.com]

If your American friends mock you, an non-American, for not knowing about American history, just quiz them on some of your own country's history. If that doesn't shut them up, it's time for new friends!

Anyway, Mel Gibson is super gross. I can't watch Chicken Run anymore, so I feel your pain. :(

[(Anonymous)]

IKR? Braveheart used to be some of my favorite man ass, but no more.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

1. MTE. It's unfair to expect everybody to be well-versed in American history but not the history of other countries.
Not that it should excuse harmful ignorance and intolerance or anything, but the point is to be sensitive to comparative education levels and not hypocritical in our expectations.

2. Awwww maaaaan not Chicken Run! I don't want that movie ruined!

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

I wish I could give him up. The Patriot is my "watch this when I'm feeling really horrible so I can feel better" movie. I mostly ignore Mel and watch solely for Jason Issacs, Heath Ledger, and Rene Aberjonis. I really, really wish someone else besides Mel was in that movie.

[(Anonymous)]

Given the crap that went down the last time there was a Pocahontas secret, let's hope the douchebags here at least have learned to cease the mockery. Such a travesty, not knowing America's history instead of your own.

[vethica.livejournal.com]

Mel Gibson who is a bigot and has not made a good movie since Lethal Weapon
Chicken Run.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd wager there are many Americans who don't know anything about Pocahontas besides her name, so you're actually one-up on them.

[cure-light.livejournal.com]

Hey, Mel Gibson might be one of the biggest douche bags to ever exist, but don't knock Maverick. I still love that movie... ;_;

[luindilwen.livejournal.com]

I can't watch the movie, but I'll listen to the soundtrack all day erryday.

[kanjo-girl.livejournal.com]

I didn't like the movie because of John Smith. The second one was amazing and don't give a fuck what other people say. John Rolfe was great. And at least they built their relationship and allowed her to choose her own way, even if that path didn't involve him.

Oh, and yay, hate for Mel Gibson. Sorry. I can't stand him.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know when it will stop surprising me that it's always the Disney secrets that pulls out the fucking asshole hipster SJ dickbagging.

[streetcake.livejournal.com]

I knew the story was inaccurate ever since it came out when I was a kid. I'unno, I've spent so many years being confused as to why they didn't stay true to the real story, then when I got older I just couldn't bring myself to be so mad about it.

And a lot of people can't watch stuff with Mel Gibson anymore so that's normal. Tho personally I don't care cuz I wouldn't bother to watch a lot of stuff if my disgust for certain actors/actresses got in the way. I care more about my entertainment then hating them it seems.

[haro.livejournal.com]

I was very aware of the real history when I saw the film. I still loved it. I actually love it even more as an adult.

It never tries to present itself as a historically accurate take. It actually used the tagline an 'American Legend.' And it was also far from the first piece of media to make Pocahontas and John Smith's story into a love story. Pocahontas has sort of, Disney aside, come a bit of a figure of American folklore over time, just like a lot of other things. It stands that depictions of her aren't going to be accurate. I was actually way more irritated by The New World, because I felt like it was trying to tout itself as accurate.

That being said, some of the things it DOES get harped on for mis-portraying aren't as inaccurate as people accuse. Pocahontas's clothing isn't that far off, for example, and the interactions between the settlers and the natives are, according to more modern studies of the history of the time, more accurate than a lot of people thought.

As for Mel Gibson. He's a huge dick, but it's not going to cause me to retroactively dislike the movie. It's just his voice. I don't have to stare at his mug or anything when watching it like I would a live action film.

[(Anonymous)]

I might be alone in this, but I'm actually entirely okay with the fact that they've changed the story. Disney specializes in fairy tales, which were, by definition, constantly changing. I know Pocahontas was a real story, but history is NEVER accurate because it is always biased. I think it's naive to think there's any accurate version of it out there. Disney took a story and made it better for children, and I think the story they put out was wonderful.

But I agree about the Mel Gibson thing... I get turned off whenever he starts speaking. I think it's worth it for Pocahontas herself, and for Meeko, because he's adorable. Also, everyone should listen to Sara Ramirez's version of Colors of the Wind. It floored me.

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

Yeeeah, kinda awkward, innit. (Although I love Signs; IDGAF.) At least the sequel is historically accurate...? :\

[meadowphoenix]

Yeah, you are taking it too seriously. And while I wouldn't mock you for not knowing American history, or whatever this purports to be (since the history version is sanitized enough), I will think it a little silly that you're so disappointed now that you've come across the historical version. Movies aren't objectives views on history, even if they are something that claims to be accurate, like biopics. The grand majority of writers aren't known for trying to get every detail, and even the one who do are trying to change your perspective on something. That's not the same as trying for accurate portrayal.

Mel Gibson is the worst, but I never liked John Smith anyway.

[greeneyed.livejournal.com]

MEL GIBSON!? I'm glad I watched the default dubbed version now...
I know what you mean about history ruining the romance, but on the other hand it's pretty realistic.
What pissed me off in the original retelling was the religious brainwashing.

[kryptoncat.livejournal.com]

Hmmm, but did she brush her teeth?