[ SECRET POST #2008 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2008 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

[fscom]

12. http://i.imgur.com/RrFWM.png

[(Anonymous)]

It's because ladies who abandon their kids or whatever are heartless evil bitches, but men who do it are misunderstood and totes deserve a second/third/forever chance. /bittersarcasm

[(Anonymous)]

this, minus the sarcasm.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, so you honestly believe that?

[(Anonymous)]

not in those exact words (i don't care for the connotations of blame and punishment), but generally, yes. a woman disregarding her children is far more significant of something being horribly wrong with her spirit than it would be for a man to do the same.

[(Anonymous)]

Sexist much?

[(Anonymous)]

I suppose you've never heard of gender expectations and stereotypes?

[(Anonymous)]

Yup, I have. Full of sexism.

[(Anonymous)]

But that holds up in cultures where women, simply because of their gender, are more likely to gain custody of their children; where women, because of their gender, have control over the life and death of their children before birth; where men have no control over the birth of a child they do not want; where women are not required to inform men of the births of their children; where women, on account of gender, are less likely to be found guilty of abuse; where child support can sometimes be retroactively enforced regardless of whether the father wanted the child; where women can choose to deny custody by not naming the correct father or any father on a birth certificate; and where women have made DNA testing a necessity to determine paternity and child support.

So, yes, women are considered worse for abandoning children in some societies. But in those societies, women also hold an overwhelming amount of power than men in regards to children. It's not fair that women get a stigma- but it's also not fair that men are denied a great deal of choice and power regarding their children.

[(Anonymous)]

men have no control over the birth of a child they do not want; where women are not required to inform men of the births of their children

Men have the power to avoid these situations by either not having sex with women or being very choosy about which women they have sex with (i.e. finding a woman who is on the same page re: children). Just because a man's choices occur earlier in the process does not mean that he doesn't have them and isn't actually responsible for the outcomes of these choices.

[(Anonymous)]

not this bullshit

[meadowphoenix]

where women, because of their gender, have control over the life and death of their children before birth; where men have no control over the birth of a child they do not want

This part is about biological sex, not gender, fyi. Since, you know, it hasn't been socialized that only women have children, which would actually relevant to gender issues.

where child support can sometimes be retroactively enforced regardless of whether the father wanted the child

If he didn't want the child, then he probably shouldn't have participated in an activity which biologically leads to it, and in which the only method with a 100% rate of prevention is abstaining from said activity and when he already knows he has no other biological control after there is a fetus.

where women can choose to deny custody by not naming the correct father or any father on a birth certificate; and where women have made DNA testing a necessity to determine paternity and child support

If you know you have the child, that's what court is for. Even if the right name is put down, while they have first claim to the kid, they'd still have to go to court for their rights.

Again, DNA testing is mostly a biological issue. If women and men could have sex and then wherever they had sex a seed was planted into the ground and sprouted into a baby like a mandrake, then for whoever wants to claim, or not claim, the child would have to have a DNA test, man or woman. But this isn't how biology works. I'm sure that cheek swab is traumatizing, however.

Biology doesn't grant responsibility automatically. You're right that gender does, in that we have been socialized to think that. But they aren't the same thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh the poor oppressed menz. Won't someone think of them?

"Overwhelming power" puhleeze. In those same societies women are held in abusive relationships by men who threaten and sometimes act on "I'll kill the kids if you leave"; are terrified that every time they co-operate in contsact their children will be abducted or injured by violent ex partners, that at the very least the kids will be systematically turned against them.

I've seen it happen, I'm not interested in your inaccurate MRA sob story.

[(Anonymous)]

Rubbish. What men, don't really care for their kids? Thanks for that.

[(Anonymous)]

did you watch the show?

[darkmanifest]

I was about to say it's because Mystique did some pretty uncool shit to her kids, then I remembered that Magneto probably did, too, only he was so uninteresting that I don't remember what most it was (though I recall him putting Scarlett Witch in an asylum). Plus Mystique's kids turned out sane and decent so clearly she did something better than Magneto - even if it was just staying away from them most of the time. So yeah, her not getting some kind of reconciliation, too, was unfair.

[(Anonymous)]

He also had a telepath alter her memories of him and the times they [didn't] spend together when she was growing up in order to improve their relationship.

...given that Magneto wears a helmet constantly to telepaths/Charles out of his head, I can't decide if this is him being a massive hypocrite or him figuring "she's not protecting her mind, it's fair game" and therefore him being a massive douche.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, weren't Wanda and Pietro brainwashed into thinking Magneto was the BEST DAD EVER? That might have had something to do with it...

[(Anonymous)]

Wanda was, Pietro wasn't.

[rbhudson]

I miss this show so much!!!

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it was just to spite the comic books? Because there Rogue still recognize Mystique as her mother while Magneto's kids hate his guts.

[(Anonymous)]

In X-Men Forever, Mystique gets in touch with her motherly side and joins the X-men in an attempt to get closer to both Rogue and Kurt. (This is also in an attempt to help avert some disaster that never gets explained... so it's not totally selflessly motivated, but the fact that we see her ulterior motive does mean she's probably sincere...)

It's... weird.

[light_shade]

Well, in Wanda's defense, she was brainwashed into thinking daddy dearest was a good man, so at the end, his kids were just happy to have him back and glad Apocalypse hadn't exploded him. A little off-topic, but I always wondered if the show had run for another season, if there would have been an episode where the cracks in the brainwashing started to show. Because such a broadstrokes approach to wiping out 16+ years of memories was bound to catch up and bite Erik in the ass sooner or later.

Also, Magneto honestly thought he was doing the right thing for his children most of the time, even if it was from a very skewed and selfish perspective. Even locking Wanda away, from his POV, probably was a good thing, because a child who could bring down a building on someone's head or cause a bridge to collapse needed to be kept away until her powers could be controlled.

Mystique, there was no right or wrong. There was only selfishness first, love later. No matter what her best intentions may be, it was never going to be enough, because she would take the easy way out instead of trying to work on the bridges she had burned with them. Even at the end, when she's telling Rogue and Kurt, (paraphrasing here, it's been about three or four years since I saw the finale) "All I did, it was only for you" sounds very forced and insincere. It was never for their benefit, only for her gain. Kurt tried as long as he could, but at the end of the day, he learned what Rogue had: trying to let her in was only going to hurt him time and again.

[(Anonymous)]

Except Kurt tried saving Mystique when she was frozen into a statue and seemed pretty upset when Rogue pushed the statue off the cliff, so you think he'd at least be a little happy or even just conflicted when she came back.

[(Anonymous)]

...isn't Kurt supposed to be...forgiving? And good?

Sorry, I don't want these newer series. I love the Fox animated series so much more for reminding me of the comics and all.