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⌈ Secret Post #2099 ⌋

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I think Sherlock having a lesbian character turn straight for Sherlock is a whole lot more problematic than their childish slashfap pandering ... but whatever.

I don't like either show.

Irene didn't turn straight for Sherlock. Her sexuality was made pretty ambiguous, and it was made clear she loved his mind in a similar way Watson does.

Well, she said she was gay. :/

It was also said that she had affairs with both men and women. If John, an otherwise straight man, can be in love with Sherlock, I don't see why the same can't apple for Irene.

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So it's John/Sherlock shippers who are big on Irene's portrayal, on account of how it theoretically impacts John's sexuality, got it.

There are multiple movies and comics featuring lesbian characters who date and have major relationships with men, while their relationships with women are more of a background detail. It's not progressive, envelope pushing, avant-garde, or whatever else, especially when that's what a show has to offer in the way of gay characters.

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Actually, yeah, she does. She outright states that she is gay, and it is explicitly stated that she is sexually and otherwise attracted to Sherlock.

Moffat himself said it wasn't sexual.

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I think one of the problem I have with Moffat is that he says a lot of things but doesn't seem to know how to make it show in his writing.

I (personally, as a female dating another) thought that the scene between John and Irene (John: If anyone out there still cares, I'm not actually gay. Irene: Well I am. Look at us both.) meant that their mutual attraction to Sherlock overcame both their sexual orientations, sort of like "the only exception."

Nonny that hasn't watched the show here! Does the show have any gay characters? Like, as one offs, or anything like that? Or is Irene it?

There was a gay couple as minor characters in one episode ("The Hounds of Baskerville"). That's it.

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John's sister Harry is gay. Mrs Hudson mentions the "married ones next door" referring to a gay couple. None of those characters have actually appeared in the show.

It was implied that Mycroft is gay - and I think Gatiss has said that he considers Mycroft gay.

Moriarty could also potentially be gay or Bi.

I suppose I'm in the minority here, but I quite like how Sherlock keeps the sexuality of several characters ambiguous. One thing which really annoyed me about Elementary was how they immediately dismissed the possibility of Holmes being asexual.

Moffat is pretty much poop, so that explains that.

a lesbian character turn straight

ah yes, cause no other sexual identities than 100% Straight and 100% Gay exist in this world, no sir

It does get weird when lesbians are shown with more men than women though. And when that happens with a lot of lesbian characters.

With her and with Willow, if a girl is significantly into guys too, what's so wrong about saying the B word?

Well, you're definitely not wrong about that

though yeah bro. Bi girl here. Still, I saw that episode and I was fucking delighted. ("OH MY GOD SOMEONE ON TV IS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT SEXUALITY IN A NON-MONO WAY, NOT JUST LIKE 'OH I'M GONNA MAKE OUT WITH SOME GIRLS RIGHT AROUND SWEEPS WEEK HOW ABOUT THAT' BUT JUST A STATEMENT AND SHE'S ONLY SAYING IT NOT JUST ABOUT HERSELF BUT TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT JOHN TOO AND IT'S ON A SHOW THAT I LIKE HOLY SHIT--!!!!") Then I hit the internet and was greeted by a storm of anger =/

yeah, Willow too. Hilariously, I'm only just watching Buffy properly-all-the-way-through for the first time now, and I'm still in season 4 when she's with Oz, and I'm....not sure how I'll feel when she gets with Tara and (from what I remember) automatically starts calling herself gay. Even though she definitely had both sexual attraction and romantic attraction for more than one dude before. But at the same time a label is something you put on yourself that you feel most accurately represents how you feel and I'm not here to invalidate another person's whatever and and I have Complicated Feelings about lots of things!

(..man, just getting involved in this thread may come back to bite me)

On the one hand, the way Willow is shown is something that happens with real life lesbians. On the other, I'm pretty sure that the writers didn't have their minds made up about who the gay character was going to be, just that they'd have one, and that leads me to just view her characterization as sloppy and ill handled on that front. If they wrote her to identify as bi, the weirdness wouldn't be there.

I'd like more prominent lesbians to be monosexual, I was starving for that in my teen years and always felt jerked around when a self proclaimed lesbian got it on with a guy.

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It bothers me when characters say they're lesbians and start falling in love with guys. In fact, it annoys me when "lesbians" irl do this too. Why can't they just say they're bi with a preference for women?

It's one thing if there's a guy or two in their post coming out history, or if they happen to fall for a guy after being only into women post coming out, and they don't want to change their label right away until they see where it goes. It gets confusing if they then marry that guy, or actively pursue and crush on guys all the time. Yeah, no one can define anyone's sexuality but their own, but mixing lesbian and bisexual like that is making those labels totally non functional. Maybe that's the point? IDK.

someone switched my bisexual label with campbells tomato soup and now i sit in the microwave, waiting in vain for love

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man, I'd SO love it if more people were comfortable with a bisexual label, but studies as far back as the 40's put a scale on it, where there are varying degrees even for people who comfortably call themselves gay or straight.

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Why can't they just say they're bi with a preference for women?

IDK, couldn't possibly have anything to do with not having to defend your existence at length to biphobic identity-policing shitstains. Or with not getting sexually harassed/assaulted by douchebags who think that if you've ever looked upon a cock without revulsion you're obligated to give their cock a chance, preferably after providing some Hawt Girl-On-Girl Action.

In a reasonably comfortable environment, yeah, I default to "queer" as a catchall and will happily specify "into ladies overall, will occasionally kiss pretty boys." But if my safety's at stake or it's really not the moment for elaborate heart-to-heart explanations and "lesbian" is the concept that will penetrate someone's thick skull, gosh, I'm so sorry for not worrying about whether 90% precision is enough to satisfy the Gay Police.

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