[ SECRET POST #2110 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2110 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Teen Wolf]


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03. [WARNING for rape/child abuse]



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[Lady Gaga]


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[contains possibly self-harm triggery images of scars; text isn't about self-harm, though]


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[CSI:NY]


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[Teen Wolf]


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[Skins]


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10.
[Mary McDonnell and David Strathairn]


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[No. 6]


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[Glee]


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13. [SPOILERS for Warehouse 13]



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14. [SPOILERS for Joker Blogs]
http://i47.tinypic.com/2hecxnt.gif
[image possibly triggery; character with gun in mouth]


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15. [SPOILERS for Doctor Who]



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16. [SPOILERS for Pitch Perfect]



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17. [SPOILERS for Marvel Comics (Avengers vs. X-Men)]



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18. [SPOILERS for Avengers vs. X-Men]



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19. [WARNING for rape]



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20. [WARNING for rape]



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21. [WARNING for suicide]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #301.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i46.tinypic.com/2mrimpw.jpg
[Teen Wolf]

[(Anonymous)]

I'm really not sure how I feel about in honestly. On one hand I want a canon slash ship and I really want them to acknowledge fluid sexuality on a TV show. On the other hand I don't want the writers to pander to the fans. I HATE it when writers pander to the fanbase just to make more money and get more viewers, or to make more publicity. I also worry it will set a bad precedent of vocal, rabid fans bullying the creators into giving them what they want.

On the THIRD hand (I'm an alien), I think that if they did it well and kept the characters in character, it could be a very good look at a dysfunctional relationship, because Derek is aggressive and violent, while Stiles is clever and manipulative (sometimes vidictively so).

So part of me is still saying HELL YES, while another part of me is saying FUCK NO.

[(Anonymous)]

SA, *it, not in.

[(Anonymous)]

That's pretty much how I feel about it too, especially in regards to the pandering, I hate when a show runner deviates from their original plan to pander to fans and we end with a half baked mess of a story line. Ryan Murphy, I'm looking at you.
Personally I think Sterek is never happening in the show, not because Jeff Davis is evil and doesn't care about the fans, it's just that I feel he has no idea how to even approach the possibility of Sterek as canon, and if that indeed is the case, part of me thinks it would be better if he didn't even try. One thing I'll say though, he could easily make either one or both of characters not straight, you could have Stiles as bisexual without changing practically anything in the way he is written, and something like Derek repressing his sexuality after the whole Kate ordeal and then rediscovering it could be a very interesting element in his character development.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm voting for fuck no as well, because as much as I might like the ship, I don't want to see it on screen. That would be the worst kind of pandering to the fans and the show tends to get sidetracked enough as it is. I'd rather see them handle properly the current plots instead of dropping them in favor of something completely out of the left field.

[(Anonymous)]

Amen to not wanting to have the writers just pander to fans. That is the fastest way to ruin good character dynamics and muck up your plot.

Another factor that a lot of people don't seem to be considering is the fact that Stiles is 16 and Derek is, as far as we know, 23-ish (and there have been some illusions to him maybe being older...? I enjoy your show, Jeff Davis, but your timelines give me a god damn headache). Judging by what I've seen, most of the people who want to see them on screen want to see them portrayed in a positive fashion and... honestly, that's a bit sketchy given the age gap. Especially since legal age of consent in California is 18. Add to this the fact that Derek was essentially taken of advantage of and sexually abused by Kate when he was younger and all that history and... I just really don't see it happening the way the majority of people seem to want it to and still making sense.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm still rooting for Arthur/Merlin with no regrets.
I've been re-watching it with my mother and it's her first time. She doesn't see how much they care for one another. I've mentioned the fact that I'd like them together more than Arthur/Gwen and she made a slur. Well she is homophobic. /csb

[(Anonymous)]

lol I will probably die rooting for Arthur/Merlin but I comfort myself with the fact that they are canon in all but name (which defeats the point, I know, I know) but lbr, Arthur will never be as married to his WIFE as he is to Merlin.

[(Anonymous)]

They are my OTP, forever and ever!

[honestys_easy]

Did people really ship Ryan/Seth so much? (I assume this is The OC?) I really liked their friendship dynamic and didn't think that so many people wanted to relation-ship them. But, to each their own.

I'd hate for a show to make two male characters into a gay couple because the fans have been so "gypped" by OTPs in the past. Especially, as you think, it would be out of their character. It would ruin a show imo. (I don't necessarily think that it would be OOC, but I'm not writing petitions to Jeff Davis to make it happen, either.)

I really don't understand why a pairing has to be canon or be the undisputed endgame of a series in order for a lot of people to like it. Isn't that what fanworks are for?

[(Anonymous)]

"gypped"
...not cool

[(Anonymous)]

So, it might be an honest mistake (I'm not going to assume you intentionally used a slur) but you should know that the verb "to gyp" and all it's conjugations comes from the idea that all gypsies are sqindlers/thieves. It's rather offensive, but most people are unaware of its connotations.

It carries the same sort of connotation as saying somebody "jewed you out" of something.

It's best to try and say "cheated" or "swindled" or "deprived," instead of "gypped" because those aren't ethnic slurs.

[(Anonymous)]

During early season 1 (especially the first 7 or so episodes that aired in the summer), there were definitely some heavy Ryan/Seth out there. They took over fanfiction.net and pretty much introduced me to kink. I remember this one cute little story where Ryan didn't know how two guys were able to have sex and Seth was pretty shocked considering Ryan has been to juvie. Not to mention the handful of fanfiction where Ryan would let Seth give him a blowjob. I jerked many-a-time to Ryan/Seth kink. Trust me, it was there once.

[(Anonymous)]

i keep going back and forth too, mostly because of the fans' attitude towards it, which, without sugarcoating it, is kind of obnoxious and entitled. i think they have a fun dynamic which has a potential for friendship/romance but i'd rather that jeff davis wrote his own show in the way that he wanted to without people breathing down his neck. and now, even if he does make them canon, part of me will always be a little skeptical that he did it to please the masses and it will feel like a cop-out than actual storytelling.

(also...seconding the scott/isaac so much.)

[(Anonymous)]

Er, I still think people are hard-core shipping all those other pairings. At least, Merlin/Arthur is still going strong judging by the endless whinging and Gwen-hate that floods my dash every day.

[rivia]

i think i've said something pretty similar to that before here, but yeah, i agree. not just in the sense of a fandom's 'need', i would love to see how having such a development would be treated by the media. i mean, would this boost show popularity, would it go over well with the fans in the end, could it potentially open the door for other shows with similar dynamics to actually consider the two in question getting together? nevermind if it could be done well, and in sterek's case i think it'd have to be sometime long after derek gets over his trust issues, so maybe season 10?

sterek fans have been acting super entitled but tbh this is probably the show most likely to have anything actually happen. at the very least i think stiles' sexuality might get some exploration and i'd love to see that.

[velvet_mace]

Nope, nope, nope. I've seen plenty of "only in fic" pairings live long and thrive well in fandom. Sterek isn't in any danger of dying out for lack of it's canonness.

I've also seen a lot of pairings that did go canon absolutely ruining the pairing (looking at you Bones!)

There's already about as much relationship dramallamaing on this show that I can handle. I want more monsters and more hot people running around without their clothes on.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't follow Teen Wolf/Sterek AT ALL, but I don't think making them canon is a good idea, at least not until the VERY VERY END of the series. Cause let's be honest here, UST is what drives most of shipping. That's why non-canonical pairings (like Sterek) are so much more popular than canonical pairings. That's why slash is popular. That's why yaoi fangirls would obsess over slashing two canonically "straight" characters than characters from an actual BL manga.

Ideally, Teen Wolf could continue the ship teases and keep building it up, getting more and more intense, until the very end of the show (whenever that is) where Sterek finally become canon, giving the fangirls a satisfactory ending and closure.

[countess_k]

We need a slash pairing to happen for once.

You mean like Jack/Ianto? Cause that, you know, happened.

Also I didn't know Arthur/Merlin was no longer popular. What is popular then? Arthur/Gwen?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm crossing my fingers hard that Sterek becomes canon, personally. Not just because I can see it being done in a way that's really IC and works (and frankly I think people who think it's automatically OOC lack imagination), but also because it would be pretty awesome representation and I'm tired - really, incredibly tired - of fans being jerked around by creators only for it to come to naught.

With the TW creator and team taunting and teasing the fans about Sterek for ages now - telling fans to "convince them" and otherwise egging fans on, trying to make them "work for it" - for them to turn around and not make it canon would be incredibly disgusting. I would honestly stop watching the show, because seriously, that's a disgusting level of queer-baiting even infamous shows like BBC's Sherlock haven't touched yet. It would be a nasty, disgusting stunt and I would be unable to support the show in any way if they did that.

So yeah. Sterek becomes canon or they lose a lot of viewers.. and all my respect because it would make them queer-baiting assholes.

[(Anonymous)]

We need it to happen. Why do we need it to happen? I actually prefer teasing because I find relationships become boring and sappy, and then you have to devote time to handholding and "babe" and all that heteronormative nonsense.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd much rather see Danny get an on-screen love interest with some lines. It would be awesome if Stiles did turn out to be bi and we got more queer characters on the show, but why not give the character that's out in canon as gay a relationship first? Also, it would be nice if they didn't go the queer baiting route. Overall, the show has been pretty damn good with portrayals of sexuality thus far, and I'd hate to see it lose that.

I do have to say I appreciate that OP knows that it would be pretty OOC for it to happen as things stand, though. A lot of Sterek shippers seem to be conflating fanon with canon. I got into TW fandom through Sterek, but the way it's portrayed in a large portion of fic is not at all how things have played out on the show. Which is kind of sad, because Derek and Stiles do have a really interesting dynamic on the show, but it's not as perfect and fluffy as a lot of people like to portray it. They're reluctant sometimes allies at best and pretty antagonistic towards one another.

[yuppu.livejournal.com]

There is no need for a slash pairing to happen just because many others didn't and it caused a lot of butthurt-ism. If I shipped a slash pairing that did not happen where I wanted it and Sterek happened instead, I would not feel better, I'd feel worse.
Because it's not the mighty revenge of the denied slash of the past.
It's a lot of people's OTP going canon. It is not mine. It's not that of a lot of other people either.
And if that is the case, why Sterek and not Morgan/Reid from Criminal Minds? Why not Wes/Travis from Common Law? Why not Destiel? Why not John/Sherlock?
Claiming that one of many needs to happen because the other many didn't is utter bullcrap.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like it could happen, but hate that the only reason it would is because the fans have been so persistent about it. Hell, the ship was born out of fannish suggestion, even I started shipping it before I even started watching the show (which, prior to watching I thought the show was centred around Derek&Stiles being buds that are polar opposites with one being a hyper sidekick to his grumpy werewolf bff with whom he has many hijinks and significant looks... I was wrong) I didn't even know Scott existed till I started watching.

If it does happen, I hope the show does it THEIR way without it being too pandering to the shippers. It might work if the relationship progresses slowly and if they actually became friends first, kind of like Lorelai/Luke.

As long as the actors and writers are cool with it happening, I am.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand the obsession with ships becoming canon. Out of your list, I shipped Arthur/Merlin and Clark/Lex, and I didn't lose interest because I realised they would never be canon - I never thought there was any chance of them becoming canon in the first place - I lost interest because the writing on the shows just got... really bad.

And, TBH, making Stiles/Derek canon would just be bad writing.

I'm all for queer representation, but I'd prefer it to be in character and make sense. Personally I'd like Danny to get more screen time (and possibly a boyfriend who actually get to show up on screen too) or for Stiles to be made canonically bisexual. Becuase those things would actually make sense and not just be OOC fan pandering.