[ SECRET POST #2121 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2121 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Darths and Droids]


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03.
[Captain America & Iron Man]


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04.
[The Walking Dead]


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05.
[Divergent]


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06.
[SPN RPF]


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07.
[Sanctuary]


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08.
[Person of Interest]


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09.
[Last Exile]


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10.
[Hugo Weaving / Sam Neill]


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11.
[Type-Moon]


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12.
[Spec Ops: The Line]


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13.
[Quantum Leap]


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14.
[Tom Hiddleston]


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15.
[Labyrinth]


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16.
[Trent & Mariqueen Reznor, How to Destroy Angels]


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Comments

HAES

[(Anonymous)]

Am I the only person who's really uncomfortable with the way this has infiltrated the feminist blog spheres.

I'm really uncomfortable with the way it's appropriated a lot of the dialogue of oppression. And any real discussion of the subject immediately gets shut down with cries of concern trolling or not being a true feminist among a host of other nonsense.

I am forced to think of some unpleasant explanations as to why the two have become inextricably linked online.

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

what is HAES?

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

Fat people making excuses about why they're so fat, and attacking any and all medical or science knowledge.

Oh and angry swear filled all caps rants about omg how dare people judge my body or choices, if I want to eat myself into juvenile onset diabetes that's my choice, people are naturally three hundred pounds and the western world doesn't have serious problems represented by the fact that in a generation or two more people will be obese then not.

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

you sound like a peach. no, i don't have a problem with it then. i support fat acceptance.

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

I love fat-shaming threads. Tell me more about how much of a terrible person I am because I'm still overweight despite restricting my calorie intake to 700 a day and vigorously working out seven days a week to offset that intake. I enjoy being hated for existing.

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

Ma'am I'm going to have to arrest you for breaking the laws of physics.

Plz come with me.

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

Juvenile onset diabetes aka type 1 is autoimmune and has NOTHING to do with weight.
At least get your fact straight before talking nonsense.

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

Are you talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_at_Every_Size? Some context and examples might help...

Re: HAES

[greenvelvetcake]

Jesus christ, I hope not. Health at every size? Not every size is healthy! That's a real dangerous attitude.

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

Not that I want to really jump into this can of worms, but that's not 100% true.

You CAN be healthy at any weight. Does it increase your risk factors for other diseases? Oh hell yes. But that in and of itself does not make you UNHEALTHY.

That doesn't apply to about 90% of people though. You can be an "ideal" weight and still be horrifically unhealthy. Weight is not the be-all, end-all of health.

Re: HAES

[citrinesunset]

My understanding of HAES isn't that it's saying that any size is healthy, but that it's advocating focus on health, mental well-being, and respecting your body's needs rather than putting a lot of emphasis on weight and appearance, or losing weight no matter what.

However, it's not a philosophy I'm that familiar with, so I'm not positive if my interpretation is "correct."

Re: HAES

[elialshadowpine]

It means that size and health are not automatically linked. I mean, look at some of the Olympics weightlifting champions that have been in the news. They would be considered obese but if they're a freaking Olympic champion, I don't think you can say they're unhealthy!

In more day-to-day average person examples... I'm technically obese. I have my weight-related labs closely monitored because I have PCOS and a family history of diabetes. Everything comes back normal, great condition. Docs are constantly O.O because they expect my numbers to be shit. I have a ton of health issues and am disabled but they predated my weight gain. (And honestly, between family genetics of obesity, inability to exercise regularly due to pain disorder, plus pretty much all the meds to treat said pain disorder causing weight gain... yeah. Not a surprise and there are so many factors I can't do anything about it without making my life weight loss, and I'm not willing to do that, especially when it's not affecting my health.)

It's not really about all sizes being healthy, it's that you can't assume based on someone's size that they're unhealthy. This is actually a pretty dangerous attitude for doctors to have that results in a lot of patients receiving poor care, because docs see the weight and don't look further, even if weight has nothing to do with it.

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

I :| at the bit about the belief system. As in, huh so it's a belief system without any hardcore evidence and facts?

Please note, if people want to be fat I don't care. Their body, not my problem. Unless you're a family member, then of course I'm going to be concerned because we do have a history of heart diseases and cholesterol problems...

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

You can be skinny and have cholesterol and heart issues. Because those are primarily genetically-determined and not really related to weight at all. My mother's friend, who has always been quite thin and petite had to go fat-free because due to genetics her cholesterol was way up.

Contrarily, heavier people with heart issues are more likely to survive heart attacks than skinny people with heart issues. So... Yeah.

Re: HAES

[sockpants]

HA.

I have no problem with HAES. What I have a problem with is when people who claim to support HAES viciously attack anyone who mentions that they want to lose some weight. I remember a thread on this very comm where an anon mentioned that their father was dying from a health issue that was exacerbated by his obesity, and someone else (it probably doesn't take a rocket scientist to guess who) absolutely tore into them, saying that they were contributing to a culture of hatred against fat women, all because they mentioned that they were worried their father was dying.

Yeah. I totally agree with you. And you're right, there's some very politically incorrect conclusions that can be drawn from that. :P

Re: HAES

[stainless]

I'd be totally against that too, though I've not seen it. (NOT SAYING it doesn't happen, though.) Personally back when I was all feministy I knew several fat women who claimed to be into HAES who eventually decided to try to lose weight. I don't know if they felt they had to abandon HAES to do that, but I don't remember anyone publicly turning on them for it. (I did see lots of turning on people for other things, though, which is why I now feel about organized feminism the same way I feel about organized religion.)

Re: HAES

[ill_omened]

Agreed.

I think the movement could have some important things to say regarding the systematic failures in promoting a healthy diet, and the extent to which thanks to a complicated array of factors it can be very difficult for individuals to lose weight.

However, I think the fact of the matter is the obesity rates are a social evil that needs to be solved, and that we've become so detached to what normal people should look like that your average person doesn't have a clue what they should weigh, or what proper exercise actually is.

The answer to this is education, shifts in government policy, and such though - not shaming.

And to be quite honest, I think the health of those around us is are concern, no man is an island and etc.

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

Your "unpleasant explanations" are probably accurate tbh. All the feminists I've met have been fatties.

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

Hahahaha

lol wow

[tyger66]

troll much?

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

Every single woman you've ever met has been fat? Wow.

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

Really now?

I would love to live in a world where every woman was a feminist.

In this world I see more women slut shaming, and victim blaming then I do men. Are we doing that ridic thing where possessing a vagina automatically makes you a feminist? Because that is a might silly tbh.

Re: HAES

[forgottenjester]

I'm fat?

But if I lose weight I'll be underweight...

FUCK IT I CAN'T WIN. I DON'T CARE ANYMORE.

Re: HAES

[(Anonymous)]

Disclaimer: I'm a morbidly obese female-bodied gq POC blah blah blah

I really dislike the HAES movement and I think it pushes some very unhealthy mindsets. No, you CANNOT be "healthy" at any size. I am not healthy at my current size, when I was very underweight I was not healthy either. There are many health problems directly linked to very high and very low weight that go beyond the obvious heart problems and diabetes. There's skin discoloration, sleep apnea, shortness of breath, and about a million other things.

But, you can be beautiful and deserving of respect at any size. If the HAES movement was the BAES movement or the RAES movement, I'd have nothing but respect for them. As it is, they diminish the very real risks of being on the extreme ends of the scale and often engage in shaming behaviors toward women who are trying to lose weight for health and/or personal reasons. I've seen way too many overweight women get attacked in HAES spaces for speaking out about their own health issues.

Re: HAES

[ariakas]

I think it's good in the sense that not everyone can achieve the sub-20 BMI of a runway model, and it's time to both accept that and the fact that heavier women (and men) can also be attractive. Research has shown that people who are (mildly) overweight are much healthier and live longer than people who are underweight.

But when it's used to attack any research that shows that there are adverse health effects to being severely overweight as lies propped up to support the Diet Industry or Big Agro or something, then it's gone off the rails. Yes, there really are sizes, big and small, that are unhealthy. No, all the screaming in the world won't change that fact.

I'm a big ol' feminist, socialist, leftie, but anti-science is the one thing I just won't stand for. The raving, idiotic anti-science movement was the reason I abandoned conservative politics for the left in the first place, but if the left is going to be just as bad, well, fuck it, I'll go moderate.