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⌈ Secret Post #2185 ⌋

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Comments

Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

Normally, I am all about YKINMK. I'm not one to judge, but the kinkmeme I visit and recent real world events have made me need to vent at all the ones who get off on rape. You can dress it down to none-con, but it's still rape.

The girl who has been attacked and gangraped in Dehli is being flown over to Singapour to a 'multi-organ transplant' facility, having already had three operations already and still being on life support.

I just wanna.... wanna grab people who are writers/requesters/enjoyers of rape fics by the shoulder and shake them.

This! This is your fantasy, in real life! These are the consiquences of such an act! Still find it hot?

Beaten with a lead pipe. Attacked for over an hour. Thrown from a moving bus. Do you think she came around half way through and started enjoying it, like I've seen people want in fics?

I just don't understand this kink. But hey, YKINMK!

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

Do you want someone to try to explain it so you can understand why they think it's hot, or did you just want to vent? Because I can go for the first if you like.

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

If non-con/rape fantasies turn these people on, isn't it better that they use a safe outlet for these kinks, rather than hurting others or risking harm to themselves? People can't always help what turns them on, and I'm certain at least most people with this kink don't find real life instances of rape hot or sexy, especially because fic written for rape-kink is very rarely written realistically because it's supposed to be hot and sexy, not horrific and traumatic like real life rape.

Personally, I couldn't care less about what people get off on, so long as they can separate fantasy from reality.

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[forgottenjester]

I love you you're like, "YKINMK!" and then the next second, "JUDGE JUDGE JUDGE" and then finish off with another "YKINMK!". In fact, it's so obvious I have to wonder if you're a troll. 10/10 You wanna know why? Because this thread has been discussed to death. I remember last time there were posts upon posts talking about reality =/= fantasy and rape =/= noncon and so on and so forth. Why can't we just let this rest now? But despite the obviousness of your post and the hundreds of times we've had this discussion here there will still be a huge amount of people who respond to this because it is a "hot issue". So yeah, 10/10. Congrats.

Also, at first I was wondering if the kmeme prompt had the real life event in it, in which case, that's bad, but nope. It doesn't. Seems you're just conflating the two things because you can.

Damn, I need to find a new drinking gif for this. Oh hey, here we go:

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

Just +1 for everything

Drinking Gif

[biohazardgirl]

There's this really great part of the same episode where Abed just nonchalantly downs a whole bottle of vodka but for reasons unknown no one seems to have giffed it :/

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

OP here.

I was trying to explain that normally I can let this slide, but after seeing this event in the news, I needed to vent. Less judging, more like trying to understand and failing.

Sadly, I don't live here in the comment boxes, so I haven't seen this subject or incident discusses. I just needed to vent. If you're tired of discussing it, move on and let others have a chance instead of coming in and shutting it down cause you've discussed it with other people.

The end 'YKINMK' was intended to be sarcastic and biting.

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

I know I don't represent everyone who reads/writes/enjoys rape/non-con fic, but I would like to mount something of a defence.

I am someone who on occasion, reads and writes non-con* fic. I do this because it helps me to process some events from my own life. I don't wish to, or intend to, get into a discussion about people 'enjoying' being assaulted, this is something I have a lot of trouble with in the vast majority of instances, but I would like to mention two things:

1) There is a biological explanation for some people getting some enjoyment from what is actually abusive. Particularly if you are talking about a child; it can and does happen IRL, and often leads to incredible guilt when the survivor reaches sufficient maturity to understand the reality of what happened.

2) In certain circumstances, with well-written pieces, it is possible to read this type of story and feel a sense of reclamation, that in enjoying the act the individual is defeating the abuser. I think this is linked to the desire for rape/non-con roleplay that some survivors have, it can be therapeutic to imagine things having a different result.

I hope I've made sense here, it's not something I find easy to be articulate about, but it is something that I think needs mentioning on occasion.


* I personally prefer to term it "non-con" because for me some of the most scarring experiences in my life would not be able to be legally described as "rape". I don't intend to suggest that rape is not the terrible and serious thing that it is, but I would rather warn for non-con and so warn for wider range. In my eyes, it's a term that deserves serious consideration, but I do appreciate that it can seem to be, and be used as, a way of avoiding the issue

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

Um. you know there are quite a few rape victims who read rape fic?

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

Where exactly? Where have you seen fic about someone being beaten with a lead pipe and attacked coming around to enjoy the rape before being thrown from a moving bus?

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

Those are details from the dehli incident. But other horrific fics have had that kind of turnaround.

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand this kink either (and will never understand it) but gaining from the reactions this is one of the kinks nobody is allowed to say anything against it (unlike you like to be bombarded with defension comments)

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

correction: I meant "defensive" not "defension"

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

You might notice that plenty of these comments are from people who don't read rape either, anon, so I don't see how we could be defensive.

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

Rape/noncon isn't my kink either, but you know what? Fuck off.

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I think understanding that rape-fantasy doesn't actually have anything to do with a real woman being brutally beaten and raped on a bus is the absolute bare minimum requirement to being able to say YKINMY with any sincerity ever. So, fail.

I can't stand rape in fiction, it upsets me, but I understand how people could get off on power dynamics and control and violation etc and that fiction is not the same as reality. As people have said, this is a really old argument...

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

This! This is your fantasy, in real life! These are the consiquences of such an act! Still find it hot?

Of course not. I would hope no one finds it hot.

But that's not the point. You seem to assume that people with rape kinks don't understand that rape is horrific in real life. But usually, that isn't the case. It's possible to enjoy a fantasy of something, when it's just fantasy or consensual roleplay, without finding it arousing when it's done non-consenusally in real life.

I have several kinks that, in real life, would be abusive or harmful. I'm well aware of it, and I don't feel like it's something I need to justify. It's not like my morality is inconsistent. I see a clear difference between fantasizing about a fictional character or roleplaying with a happy, consenting partner, and real people being hurt. The former is arousing, the latter makes me feel disgusted and angry.

Also, most people do not get off to characters suffering serious harm.

What happened to this woman is horrific. I think the fact that people are capable of being that violent and cruel is a hell of a lot more puzzling than people indulging in kinks that don't actually involve hurting anyone. I don't have much trouble understanding kinks, but I can't relate to the cruelty and lack of empathy that rapists display.

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

I had a rape kink before I was raped and after I was assaulted I...still had it. In fact, I actually used rape role playing with my partner as a way to cope with it.

So...sorry? I guess?

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

Why would a predominantly female population of writers be so very preoccupied with rape? What could POSSIBLY be behind this, hmmm?

There's at least three parts to this, you know, and none of them have much to do with the Delhi gang-rape victim.

1) Fandom is predominantly female writers--rape is a very real threat to most of us. Not an immediate kind of threat, but the kind of threat that makes you travel in groups and stay in at night, and keep your headphones in your ears but your music off when riding public transit alone. It's not weird that it shows up in the fiction we produce--everyone writes about what they're scared of. Rape, and the threat of it, is a part of who we are. Demanding that it not be portrayed in our stories is like demanding that no one ever die in our stories.

2) Reenacting traumatizing events is a pretty common coping strategy. Ever wonder why so many rape fics end with the rape being discovered by an outside party, explicitly acknowledged as rape, and the victim being rescued, avenged and recovering their sexuality with fabulous healing cock sex? Take a few seconds to work it out. Consult the comments section on a news article involving a rape case if you're having trouble.

3) Rape pretty much defines traditional views on women's sexuality (aka, that she doesn't/shouldn't have one and is there as a vessel for male sexuality) and is an extreme display of dominance/submission and sadism/masochism. Unsurprisingly, that flips the sexy switch in a lot of people's heads.

There you go. Three reasons, all personal to the individual writer and reader, and all of them consequences of rape culture or social constructs. Sure you can hunt down every person who writes or reads rape fic to tell them that they're sick because real people get raped too, but that seems a bit like hunting down anyone who writes character death and calling them violent maniacs because people die in real life, and how dare they write about it.

Take a moment to blame rapists (and society) for rape. It's much healthier.

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

it's kind of grody to use the story of a woman's real life sexual assault for your own agenda and to shame people with it but whatever

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[oroburos69]

Dear god, if you're upset IN FANDOM, never leave it. You do realize that fandom (the fanfic side of it) is one of the most progressive social spaces anywhere regarding rape and victim blaming? Primarily in that it is generally accepted as an actual issue with real and meaningful effects.

I know, I know, it seems so terrible! But JFC, read the comments section on any Cracked article that even so much as hints that men might be slightly entitled if they think they deserve women. Try a gamer forum about Batman Arkham City. Read news articles about raped women--see how they frame it in terms of what SHE was doing? The Delhi case is a great example. Every damn article points out that she was traveling with a male companion, not out after midnight, and in all respects, undeserving of rape. What if she hadn't been? Would she have made international news as a victim?

...Also, you're an asshole, for all the reasons people have explained above.

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[chardmonster]

I kinda wanna grab you by your shoulders and say

THIS! THIS SORT OF THING HAPPENS ALL THE TIME! IT DOESN'T SUDDENLY MATTER MORE BECAUSE SOMEONE ON TV MENTIONED IT! THE WORLD IS A TERRIBLE PLACE AND YOU ONLY CARE NOW BECAUSE TV! SO YOU ARE YELLING AT FANFICTION AUTHORS! INSTEAD OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY EXCUSE RAPE!

Good grief get a fucking grip

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not really sure how to make it simpler than the fact I LOVE violence and rape in fiction, generally in writing or art but I don't mind some roleplay with a partner.

but I in NO WAY support or approve it IRL. Real acts are appalling and horrifying and I do not find that interesting or arousing at all.

Obviously my fantasy is different IRL. That's why it's a fantasy. It's romantisized and sexualised in my head for fictional characters in fictional settings but these feelings END when it becomes a matter of real life.

You don't need to shake me as if I'm not aware of real life events. I'm able to seperate real life and fiction!

You don't need to understand my kink, you need to realise there's a difference between a kink in a fantasy setting and the real life events. Especially if the real life version is so horrible.

It's like...like, I like action movies and explosions and gun fights and apocalypse movies about the world ending.
I wouldn't like ANY OF THAT outside of a fictional fantasy setting. In real life the plots of action movies and gun fights and the world ending are TERRIFYING.

but i love and enjoy it in fantasy.

jeeze

Re: Trigger warning: Mentions of rape

[(Anonymous)]

Maaaaan, I hate to be the nitpicky one but- dude, it's Singapore, not Singapour.

Also, there's starting a dialogue and actually being willing to try to understand the other bloke's point of view and think about why they're like that, whether or not it's actually bad and/or harmful, and what would motivate them to change AND there's going hey you there, you suck and you should know you suck!

One of these is actually pretty effective communication, the other is being a dick. Three guesses as to which one you're doing, first two don't count.

[therangerking]

Just three sentences:

When you write it, or you read it, you're in control in a way you'll never be in a real non-consensual situation. That is the line between fantasy and reality. Besides, who says that no one with a rape kink likes writing out the consequences?