[ SECRET POST #2189 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2189 ⌋

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Comments

Re: DA

[ellie_oops]

I don't agree.

Personally, I think that someone who has a fantasy of incest abuse
(it is abuse, not a 'lifestyle choice'), raping or molesting others has a little seed of evil in them. Even if they never actually engage in those activities irl, that bit of darkness is still in them.

Sorry, I'm not going to sit back and give the op of the secret a special snowflake pat on the back because they take enjoyment in an abusive relationship.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

You understand how ridiculous this 'little seed of evil' thing is, right?

Fantasy =/= reality, please make a distinction.

Re: DA

[ellie_oops]

Hi op.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure where I come down in this discussion, because it's a complicated issue with a lot of feelings on all sides, but -- it is blatantly obvious that more people oppose you in this debate than just the OP. You're not doing your argument any favors by pretending otherwise.

Re: DA

[ellie_oops]

You are correct, I shouldn't have automatically assumed they were the op.

However, I will not stand by while people back pat themselves for enjoying a form of abuse. It trivializes the victims and diminishes the severity of the act. Someone who gets off on the victimization of others should not be praised and coddled. And yes, incest is abuse, it has a perpetrator and a victim, and I can guarantee you that the victim is often groomed to believe it's consensual.

I have no patience, sympathy or understanding for anyone that believes otherwise.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

It's a philosophical question. Is it possible for the reality to be so bad that the fantasy, defined as distinct from the reality, is unallowable? The current fandom general opinion seems to be no, as long as fantasy and reality are distinct fantasy is always allowable.

I'm not sure whether you're arguing that some realities are so bad that even fantasy is unallowable, or that no fantasy can ever be distinct from the reality. If it's the former, I have to argue that everyone has to make that call for themselves, and as long as they don't hurt anyone else it's no one else's business. If it's the latter, I don't know whether I agree with you, which is why I'm not sure where I land on this question.

The pedant in me must protest that consensual incest (between adults) is theoretically possible. It may be vanishingly rare, but even if it has never actually happened, it is theoretically possible.

If nothing else, there's the case of the siblings who meet as adults and are mutually unaware that they are siblings. If everyone involved is unaware of the relationship, it's not any more abuse than it would be without the biological connection.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

"a little seed of evil"? wtf?

Re: DA

[ellie_oops]

Yeah, anyone who thinks incest is okay and masturbates to it is fucked up.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but some sexual kinks are derived from a bad place. You would never tell a molester that their desire for children is just a harmless kink. But maybe you would, idk, if you think incest is okay, you obviously don't have that line.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, what is context



also any form of incest kink in fantasy = molesting children



thanks for letting me know

Re: DA

[ellie_oops]

Congrats on your use of mental gymnastics to justify something so horrible.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Seed of evil? Oh wow.

Re: DA

[ellie_oops]

Yup. Seed of evil. Same as molesters. Unless you think that is okay too.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

um

Re: DA

[ellie_oops]

what?

Do you need me to explain how incest is wrong?

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

lol you have not the slightest idea what roles people into BDSM play then. It's more than a bit of spanking and fluffy handcuffs and a bit of a dirty talk. Don't attempt to find out, you will end up calling everyone a rapist or a pedophile.

Re: DA

[ellie_oops]

Not talking about BDSM. Talking about people who get off on wanting siblings to have sex with each other. Two completely different things, you should look it what BDSM really is, because I'm pretty sure they would frown upon incest.

Step away from the tumblr, it's filling your mind with the idea that things like liking incest makes you a special snowflake.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Shut the fuck up bitch, you have NO RIGHT to tell me how I should feel about MY ABUSE. YOU ARE A HORRIBLE PERSON FOR DOING SO

Re: ayrt

[ellie_oops]

Excuse me? Where did I tell you how to feel?

Everyone deals with their shit differently. I for instance am not going to put up with someone getting off on what happened to me.

If you don't have a problem with it, that's fine. I, however, am not going to give someone who romanticizes a part fucked up part of my childhood a pass.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I have an incest kink.

You are telling me that one of the ways I cope with my abuse makes me an evil person.

so yes, you're telling me exactly how I should feel.

Re: ayrt

[ellie_oops]

Honestly, you should probably talk about your coping methods with your therapist not some random on F!S.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Incest is not always 'abuse', period. My paternal grandparents are first cousins. They stayed married all of their lives until my GF passed away from pancreatic cancer. My GM still mourns his death, because he was her soulmate. You have no fucking clue what you're on about. I really hope you're a troll, because god damn you're ignorant.

Re: DA

[ellie_oops]

uuuhhhh.... yeah, not touching this one.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

You do realize it's legal for first cousins to get married most places, right?

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I suppose it does cause a problem when you're faced with examples counter to your own insane argument, eh?

It's a cultural thing, and you know what? They were consenting adults. They had one child, and if they hadn't been together I wouldn't exist. So you can kindly take your bullshit and piss off.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

A lot of the sweeping statements made in American spaces reflect their staggering ignorance, tbqh.

First cousin marriages are considered ideal in some places, and you know what? Those countries have a lower incidence of genetic defects in the population at large, because anything truly show-stopping did not produce viable offspring.

Geneticist anon finds this fascinating.