[ SECRET POST #2371 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2371 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

15. http://i.imgur.com/pBHn6zu.png

[(Anonymous)]

Assuming the cops wouldn't just have you committed and actually believed you about the Supernatural, how many cops would need to know? And how soon would their families find out as well? And how long before the whole world knew about the Supernatural, leading to widespread panic?

My problem is different

[insanenoodlyguy]

In this age, it'd be impossible to keep it under wraps. Considering how numerous and active Supernatural events seem to be There should be like, 5 videos on youtube a day. ESPECIALLY if the law isn't actually in on it.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Hence the ridealongs.

And honestly, I think it would be better IF people knew. Then they could learn to defend themselves. Imagine a world where demon tattoos and necklaces were the norm.

[forgottenjester]

This always bothered me too. It makes even less sense if it's to "protect" them because seriously, how is being ignorant about a problem going to help keep them safe or allow them to defend themself in any meaningful capacity against the supernatural unknown? It's not. Most times all this accomplishes is extra angst and it puts the unknowledgeable character in danger they could have otherwise avoided.

This is why I like the Dresden Files. One of the main secondary characters is a cop. Granted, after quite a few books they get a demotion due to supernatural shenanigans but that's better than Stile's dad in Teen Wolf who got freaking laid off.

[(Anonymous)]

Depends how likely the character is to just run into the Supernatural if they aren't actively involved in it. If the Supernatural is relatively rare, it might be safer for them to not draw attention to themselves by getting involved. If the Supernatural is going to be really close by anyway, its probably safer to know.

Also, you have to filter this through the characters "in the know"'s perspective.

[(Anonymous)]

On top of the "will they believe you" and "will they started telling other people" issues, if people are dropping like flies then informing a family member (even if they're a cop) becomes a great debate over if they're safer if a) they're in the dark and not overly involved or b) they're informed but now more involved.

[luxshine]

Oh, thank god, I'm not alone.

It really bugs me when it happens. Especially when the characters have ties to the police somehow. Even more when they keep running INTO law enforcement.

Seriously, explain things. AS crazy as it sounds, it will stop sounding crazy when the werewolf tries to eat the sheriff.

[(Anonymous)]

Sounds like you should be watching Grimm. At least some of the law enforcement officers are in on it. Even the captain, for reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

It's interesting that in many of these shows, there is actual physical verifiable evidence that competent law enforcement would notice and come up with some kind of theory to account for. Unfortunately, law enforcement is required by the natural laws of the genre to be (usually) useless or counterproductive. (Occasionally one is promoted to temporary sidekick status.) It's one of the reasons I love really good law enforcement/supernatural show crossovers. What can law enforcement do when required by genre to be competent?

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. That shit is so stupid. Extra bullshit demerits awarded if the reason that law enforcement never catches on is NOT because of a conspiracy to conceal the supernatural, but because of dumb luck bad timing.

[kaijinscendre]

That is why I hope spn will have the supernatural world discovered. Thousands of angels fell out of the sky! I don't see how you can cover that up.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh it's mostly a lazy writing thing. The few times law enforcement or government get involved in these types of stories they are either hilariously incompetent token sidekicks who keep the secret to themselves or basically villains. It stems from the idea that getting government entities involved in a supernatural show and not being villains creates the uncomfortable question of why then, isn't the government doing anything about the various supernatural conflicts and drama going on. Basically it's a lazy excuse for why the protagonists can't just get armed police or military assistance for problems that would easily be solved by it.

Although now that I think about it, a show where the hidden supernatural elements of the world are successfully hidden right up until the modern day where it gets revealed by accident and having the government go, "oh shit there are vampires, werecreatures, and fey folk in pretty much every major city and we had no clue, what the fuck so we do now?" That would be something I would watch just to see things like highway patrol trying to ticket a werewolf or the FDA trying to come up with proper health standards for selling human blood to vampires.

[queerwolf]

I'm getting the feeling Papa Stilinski will find out this season. Stiles was prepared to tell him last season - Scott was even going to shift in front of him as proof - but the debacle with Jackson and the restraining order happened and it hasn't been mentioned since.

With the Alpha pack in town, Stiles won't be in any hurry to bring his dad into that mess, but Papa Stilinski is starting to suspect. When the girl whose gf had disappeared said she saw a girl with claws, fangs and glowing eyes, he didn't automatically write her off as crazy. Imo, it's only a matter of time before he figures it out.

[meredith44]

I wouldn't like everyone knowing, but I like the stories where a small subset knows. Like in Dresden Files with its special force that was listed above. Or Lost Girl where there are fae on the force actively investigating/covering up fae-related crime. Or True Blood where a couple of cops know/ work with a private investigator and a vampire.

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is Sheriff Stilinski, from the TV show "Teen Wolf", and FBI Special Agent Victor Henriksen, from the TV show "Supernatural".]

I hate, hate, hate that characters in TV shows keep law enforcement in the dark about the supernatural.

Why?!?! They could help you hide your tracks if they knew what was going on! They would know not to overly investigate that mysterious 'animal attack'. They could help you when you get arrested for digging up a grave! They could call you with tips on weird cases. If I was a hunter I would force cops to go on a hunt to see this stuff first hand. Also, your father is the sheriff of the damn town, YOU COULD STOP LYING TO HIM CONSTANTLY.

[(Anonymous)]

Agree, particularly about the TW bit. Ffs just tell your father already! There is nothing but good that can come from that man being in the know!

I will be pissed if the Sheriff doesn't find out by the end of this season (preferably sooner). Also will be pissed if he has some stupid OOC negative reaction just for the sake of adding more drama.

You trust the police to handle that well?

[chardmonster]

A lot of police are nice. And a lot of them are like this: http://worstofcopforums.tumblr.com/

I think letting the police in general know about The Supernatural would just lead to random wiccan kids getting beaten up and special camps for werewolves.

[(Anonymous)]

dont mind me i'm only here to gently stroke my computer monitor over where papa stilinski is

mmm yes daddy

[(Anonymous)]

Eh. I really, really, really don't care.

No, it doesn't make any sense in the narrative scheme, and yes, it would often be beneficial to the characters to make the thing public. But I don't care. I really prefer the kind of stories where the supernatural isn't public to the kind you get where the supernatural is public. I find the latter kind of stories really, really boring. For one thing, a lot of the time they seem to rely on the shock value of the thing and on the idea that taking familiar well-worn elements of the world around us and adding in something to do with draculas or wolfmen or frankensteins is in and of itself interesting, which it's really not to me. For another, I like the idea of being covert and on the run and the drama that adds. That's cool and fun. I like the episodes of Supernatural where they're sparring with the cops.

And at the end of the day, I'd rather have a story that I like and that's interesting, even if it has a glaring gap in the logic of the plot, as long as the character logic and the plot logic and the aesthetic unity is all there, rather than a story that Looks At What It'd Really Be Like that's just boring.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, well as far as Henricksen goes, he was a pretty straight-shooter and was fairly sure that not only were the Winchesters guilty of some fairly heinous crimes, they were also very good at manipulating situations and deceiving people, so I don’t think he would have believed anything they told him, he had to actually see/feel it for himself.

As for Sheriff Stilinski, well, I think there are a lot of reasons that Stiles hasn’t told him and probably won’t until he feels that he absolutely has to. Stiles is very protective of his dad. I think that he thinks if his dad was in the know, his dad would get more involved, which would put him in more danger. Also, some people, while willing to cover up for the safety of others, will still feel guilty for lying and manipulating things in order to do so and Stiles maybe doesn’t want to put his dad in that position. And, on a purely selfish level, Stiles probably doesn’t want his dad to try to keep him from being involved, because while it’s scary and people are dying, it’s also exciting and Stiles always wants to know and he really, really doesn’t like being left out.

[(Anonymous)]

Hi Henriksen!

(Also, if you still watch Supernatural, there are now several cops who are aware of what's going on and know to call the boys if something seems like their gig.)

(Also, nearly every SN/crime procedural crossover ends with just such an agreement.)

[(Anonymous)]

this town is extremely lackadaisical about the amount of murders happening in it. It's not a big town after all. i'm surprised there's not a curfew or at least posters warning people to be safe at night

on the plus side Stiles is trying to tell his dad about the virgin sacrifices but was (rightfully considering he's a kid the father doesn't know has serious info) ignored.

more fun this way anyway, i do hope we get more family bonding with the family members of immediatly involved (excluding the hunters and packs XD)

[kathkin]

Quick rec: in Being Human law enforcement (or at least the higher ups) know damn well what's going on and what not to investigate.

Downside is, it's the vampires that are making it so, so it's less a matter of 'helping' and more a matter of 'covering up vampire attacks' and at one point 'hey why don't you just eat criminals win/win'.

Yeahhh.

[ariakas]

It's just a trope, one necessary to keep writing urban fantasy the way it's usually written (i.e. "small group of people have secret powers/knowledge and do battle with others in that small group"). Revealing the supernatural to authority figures or to the public at large would cause a paradigm shift in in our knowledge about the world - it would change everything. At that moment it stops being urban fantasy and becomes speculative fiction. The writer has to guess at how society would change; that's a lot of work, and it may not be what they want to do with their story. ...Even though it seems like ever other person the cast runs into is in on it.

Hahah my tabletop RP group lampooned this trope in a mixed White Wolf game one time: vampires, werewolves, mages, etc., were so good at pretending to be normal that one day a small group of them made a profound realization - "normal" humans were now a dying species. Every other person was a werewolf, vampire, or magic user in disguise - they'd turned/eaten/bred them out to the point of extinction, and there's no point in the Masquerade, or mages hiding their powers, etc., anymore. Of course, if these people reveal this to society at large there will be total war: the vampires need to capture and breed the last remaining humans or they're all going to starve to death, the werewolves can seize the chance to defeat their old enemies for good, and without having to worry about paradox mages can take the very fabric of reality apart.