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[ SECRET POST #2434 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2434 ⌋

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[A7X]

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[Stargate Atlantis]

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[Merlin]

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[Audrey Cooper, Twin Peaks]

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[Fire Emblem: Awakening]

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[Avril Lavigne, Tank Girl]

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[Meet the Robinsons]

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[Blood+]

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[Monty Python's Flying Circus]

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[Valentine Morgenstern, The Mortal Instruments]

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One time, when my dad got angry with me over something stupid (i was very much an outspoken teen, very liberal, etc while my dad was from the generation of "seen and not heard" and he was a Repubby), he got mad at me and accused me of being an Atheist Lesbian.

All because, at that point in my life, I had never had a boyfriend and, as far as he knew, I never had crushes on guys. I never told him about my interests in guys cause he's one of those who makes jokes or teases to a point that isn't funny and either hurts or just annoys the ever living shit out of you.

Needless to say, I'm not a lesbian (happily with an old guy friend of mine), and I'm an Agnostic. :P

But an agnostics just an atheist with no fucking logic??

Nope. An agnostic won't believe one way or the other without proof.

I can't agree with Atheists cause we have no proof that God(s) don't exist. I can't agree with Theists cause we have no proof that God(s) exist.

Sorry, but no, hon.

We don't have any proof anything doesn't exist, you can't prove a negative.

But I can guarantee you don't apply that logic to everything else in your life.

Statistics disagrees with you.

With the specific example of a higher being, however, we'd have to come up with some set rules for what a God requires, though, and then prove those don't exist. It's the first part that's difficult, not the second.

That's not what atheism is. An atheist doesn't claim to know that gods don't exist; they simply do not extend their belief to the claim that gods DO exist. Knowledge and belief are different things. Most atheists are also agnostic. You can be both.

Then they aren't Atheist. They're plain Agnostic.

Nope. They assert no belief that gods exist. They abstain from theism. That makes them atheists. You don't need to claim certain knowledge that gods don't exist in order to be an atheist.

No... that's not true. You can be an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist. Belief has nothing to do with the knowledge. An agnostic is someone who doesn't claim to know--basically 90% of the planet, including lots of devoted believers. Surveys show the VAST majority of atheists are agnostic atheists.

You can be both, sure, but some atheists are not both. They say point-blank that it's a fact that supernatural forces don't exist because [insert various reasons]. Those are the people - usually the loudest versions, on the internet in particular - agnostics might be trying to differentiate themselves from.

You can be both, sure, but some atheists are not both. They say point-blank that it's a fact that supernatural forces don't exist because [insert various reasons]. Those are the people - usually the loudest versions, on the internet in particular - agnostics might be trying to differentiate themselves from.

Nope. So-called gnostic atheists and New Atheists (who are currently most vocal) are two different things. New Atheists tend to take the pragmatic position after Russell that in the absence of proof, disbelief is the most reasonable position.

Someone is ignorant of almost all atheist and theist writing on the issue of proof over the last century.

Someone else has got way too much time on their hands if they ARE well-versed in such an esoteric subject, and is incredibly full of themselves to boot. F!S ≠ academia.

The beliefs of people you are talking to are hardly "esoteric." If you're clueless about those beliefs, you could, I don't know, ask a question or do a basic google search.

*shakes head* Jesus fucking christ. Not everyone subscribes by YOUR definition. I go by mine, someone else goes by theirs.

Fuck off, you fucking asshole.

We have enough religion wank between the various Theists.

Except definitions of words are not like opinions...you don't get to have your own.

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No, an Agnostic is a person who is honest enough to admit that they don't (and probably can't) know, and aren't going to commit to a pretense that they do.

Better said than what I said. Thank you.

Unless that agnostic pretends that atheists claim to have certain knowledge that gods don't exist, in which case they are no longer honest. Most atheists are also agnostic.

Well, at this point we should probably stop and sort out exactly how we're defining our terms.

To me, if you firmly believe that there is no God and act as though your belief gives this proposition the weight of fact, and anyone who believes in a God or isn't sure is a dumbass for not agreeing with you, you're an atheist. If you tend not to think that there's a God but acknowledge that it's just your opinion and you could be wrong, you're agnostic with atheistic leanings. If you refuse to commit to an opinion one way or the other, you're just agnostic.

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Agnosticism and atheism just need to make out already because this is getting ridiculous.

I would do anything to have some pics of that.

If countries can have sex, why not labels...

Most atheists are agnostic, and lots and lots of agnostics are atheist. There's not even remotely mutually exclusive. People who use the term agnostic are often atheists who dislike the term atheist because they equate it with "asshole".

But by definition, if you don't believe in a deity of any kind you are atheist whether you like it or not. Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief; if someone asks what you believe and you reply "agnostic" you're not answering the question. Because theist and atheists alike can be agnostic... and most are.

Yep, I agree. A good reason for calling yourself agnostic is if you're a fan of Huxley or Spencer (and if you've not read either, you probably are unqualified to call yourself one.)

A bad reason for calling yourself agnostic is "atheists are ___." And depending on what the second half of that sentence contains, it's reasonable to point out that the speaker is apparently ignorant, a bigot, or both.

This isn't what I wanted.

You got my hopes up for crackfic.

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