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⌈ Secret Post #2525 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/mq86aap.png

[fauxkaren]

Both ships are awful, imo.

[iggy]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

Well duh, that's why people like 'em.

[(Anonymous)]

The difference is Hannibal sees Graham as someone he can connect with and is trying to help him better himself.

Ramsay just gets off on sexual torture.

[otakugal15]

"Better" himself? So Will ending up in an institution is "bettering" himself?

I, just....wat.

Hannibal wants to fuck him over (and no not in a slashy way either). Cause Hannibal is a fucked up person who eats people. He fucked up Clarice in the books, though one can argue he had a soft spot for her and he indeed help her with her father issues, bu he still fucked her up.

[feotakahari]

I don't recognize the bottom ship, but my guess is that a): Hannibal's actor looks hotter, and therefore his actions are excused more often, or b): Hannibal's actor is better at acting, so he makes fans think there might actually be some depth to the character.

[(Anonymous)]

The GoT actors are all pretty good. Not sure why you'd assume Mikkelsen is better.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if you're in the Hannibal fandom, but most of the fans certainly don't excuse Hannibal's behavior at all. Hannibal is a terrible, manipulative, emotionally abusive, murderer. There really isn't a positive way to spin that.

[arcadiaego]

Well Hannibal is one of the lead characters in a show named after him. The Game of Thrones guy has been in it for about ten minutes. So Hannibal inevitably has more depth.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, they're written very differently. The Hannibal-Will relationship, however you interpret it, is -- I understand -- one of the central themes of the show. Ramsay is a walk-on Complete Monster in a world of people who are already doing terrible things. His destruction of Theon is a sidenote to the overall saga, and the only point to it is its effect on Theon -- it's just same old, same old for Ramsay.

[sootyowl]

I think people speak out against both. To me, Hannibal/Will is a bit more palatable because there is no physical mutilations to it (more mind fucking and Hannibal being interested in finding out what makes Will tick. Ramsay just gets off on torturing Theon), but both relationships are fucked up.

If you like messed up ships, I can see why you'd be drawn to either pairings. Still, one can hope you know they aren't healthy and irl unacceptable to the highest degree.

[iceyred]

Wait, one of these relationships is based on physical torture, the other is based on emotional torture. How is either acceptable?

[lex_antonia]

Is it the same people who condemn one and love the other? Because the ASoIaF fandom at large is surprisingly conservative and not particularly kink-friendly, while Hannibal is the opposite.

[(Anonymous)]

I think people are more uncomfortable with physical torture than mental. There was also that section of the NBC Hannibal fandom that wasn't familiar with the books/movies, so they probably started shipping before it was clear to them how far Hannibal was planning to go to break Will.

Also, Hannibal is trying to create or awaken something in Will. Something about releasing his full potential. Ramsey is just trying to destroy Theon, and he's probably not that interested in Theon as an individual, he just wants someone to torture.

Personally I'm not comfortable with either ship, but most of my shipping is based on one character having a unique interest in or privilege toward the other. So it's understandable that people who like or are okay with mindfuck-type kinks would ship Hannibal and Will.

[(Anonymous)]

I get why it's frustrating. But I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here. The fandoms have really different personalities.

They're both really awful dynamics, but I'm not gonna judge somebody's fictional sexytime preferences. I get more of a "romance" vibe from Hannigram, though. Not that it's less terrible, but the way it's played on screen is almost like Hannibal thinks he loves Will, so I can see why people get into it. I can't with the other, because Ramsay is just obviously a sadistic nightmare who loves torture.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't watched Hannibal so I couldn't comment. As for Ramsay & Theon, I do think that the relationship (or at least Theon's/Reek's arc) is somewhat interesting in the books, but the show have been quite shaky in their handling of it. The psychological torture of the first few episodes (letting him escape and bringing him back) was alright, but the black-comedy-with-occasional-naked-ladies mixed in with the horrifying physical torture and mutilation was just gross.

[(Anonymous)]

I chalk it up to the ASOIAF fandom being boring, uptight, judgmental, and vanilla as fuck (which is hilarious considering how horrid and fucked up the source material is). Conversely, the Hannibal fandom celebrates and thrives off kink.

[(Anonymous)]

No no, they're both horrible. Hannibal fans are just fucking insane.

[(Anonymous)]

both have shippers that see it for the psychologically and emotionally fucked up evil thing that it is and simply find it fascinating. both have shippers that turn it into "it's all just true love and whatever bad things they do are forgiven because of love" fluff bullshit.

and both judge the other for both things.

so...

idk, i'm not in either fandom and watching from the outside in gets really confusing. it's like... two piles of fruits. they're essentially the same, some good fruit in the piles and some bad. but both piles are yelling at each other for being ALL rotten, ignoring their OWN rotten fruit and ignoring the GOOD fruit in the other pile and the fact that they are ALL ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought shipping in Hannibal was a joke though. Most of the stuff I see for Hannibal/Will is completely, intentionally ridiculous.

[helenadax]

I think both pairings are awful. But there's something fascinating about the way Hannibal manipulates Will that I don't find in Theon and Ramsay's scenes.

[arcadiaego]

Well, Hannibal is a main character and Ramsay (in the show, I haven't read the books) so far has no personality or backstory other than liking to stick knives in people. But apart from that, finding a relationship interesting is different from thinking that it's actually a great and healthy relationship - what proportion of Hannibal/Will shippers actually think that?

[(Anonymous)]

Because the other one is WAY more subtle. Hannibal hasn't cut off a penis has he? Different fears, different methods.

Secret 4 - Hannibal (TV series), Game of Thrones (TV series)

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is Hannibal Lecter and Will Graham from the TV series "Hannibal" and Theon and Ramsey from the TV series "Game of Thrones". Hannibal is grabbing Will's face forcefully and leaning in close, while Ramsay is caressing a naked and chained-up Theon in a dungeon.]

Both ships are basically about a psychopath attempting to break someone in an attempt at turning them into something else. One ship is celebrated and is the highlight of its fandom, the other is condemned as being depraved. I'm confused as to why one is acceptable and one isn't.