fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #2623 ]

[ SECRET POST #2623 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2623 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.

__________________________________________________

02.

__________________________________________________

03.

__________________________________________________

04.

__________________________________________________

05.

__________________________________________________

06.

__________________________________________________

07.

__________________________________________________

08.

__________________________________________________

09.

__________________________________________________

10.

__________________________________________________

11.

__________________________________________________

Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 064 secrets from Secret Submission Post #375.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

I'll start

Quatre/Trowa from Gundam Wing. No female love interests, weird close relationship and... Quatre being so... gay. Pretty sure there was a scene where Quatre pictures Trowa when thinking of people he cares about most.

Meh, people always say that they're a couple, but I could never see it. To me, it was always a deep friendship and tbh most of the reasoning for them being gay, particularly Quatre always struck me as coming from homosexual stereotypes.

ayrt

Well, the whole "Quatre wears pink = therefore gay!" thing was stupid, I agree. Especially since pink wasn't even seen as a girly color until relatively recently in Japan. But deep friendship... at least. All the other Gundam boys had female love interests, in fact, all the main characters do except for them. Trowa and Quatre have each other, even though they have female "counterparts", and have at least an emotionally intimate relationship. They aren't "canon" but I also can't even comprehend that the writers didn't consider them a pairing, if only for fujoshi bait.

A side note, I recently heard that in the Spanish dub, Quatre actually says "te amo" to Trowa. I don't know if that's true, though.

It wasn't just the whole pink thing either. There was the whole Quatre and him being so sensitive that he must be gay thing. How he totally looked gay. Everybody also always points to the scene where they they play music together as meaning they're totally gay and the implications from that reasoning just bug me.

I suppose I can see where they're coming from, but to me, I just read them as having a very close friendship. I guess my slash goggles are broken or something. As for the writers pandering, I'm not sure. They could have.

Well, I'd agree about the sensitive point, and the Quatre "looks gay" point. But I don't think the music scene is an unfair evidence at all. Not "music is gay" but it's a blatant relationship building scene, and Quatre harmonizing with a guy that's been almost totally silent. I think the scene is very important, whether or not you believe their is sexual tension. Iirc, Quatre and Trowa even live together in Frozen Teardrop. They aren't "canon" in the sense that they haven't kissed on screen or anything but I think they are one of the better candidates for this topic.

The writers were definitely aware of their female fanbase. Gundam Wing had a ton of official art that was very... close between pretty much all the pilots. I used to have a folder with all the art, unfortunately not now. But whether or not the writers intend for Quatre and Trowa to actually be gay, there's no way they were unaware of their fanbase.

I will admit that it is there to build their relationship but I didn't get anything like sexual tension or the like from it. Considering that they had only recently met, it comes off to me as two allies bonding and becoming friends. Like I said, I guess my shipper goggles aren't on toght enough. That and most of the reasons I've heard just seem stereotypical or read like a deep friendship to me. Anyway, I apologize if I'm coming off as rude or anything. I've got no problem with the ship, it just never really clicked for me.

Oh god, I will concede that Frozen Teardrop is definitely pandering to the fujoshi fanbase. I like to pretend it doesn't exist tbh. As nd yeah, they were definitely aware of their fambase, but during theoriginsl show's run it was mostly limited to magazine spreads.

It was the LatinoAmerican dub, actually, and he only mentioned he loved Trowa, but never said that to him.
~~The 15 yeas old me was very disappointed to discover that was a dub only thing.~~

That is awesome that he actually said that! Can I ask, then, in the context of the Latin dub, did it seem romantic at all? Blatantly platonic? Ambiguous?

English Quatre was pretty gay for Trowa, too, though I can't remember all of his quotes off hand.

It's been years since I saw it, but if I remember correctly it was during the attack to the colony where an amnesic Trowa was and Quatre's mention of his love for Trowa even implied he was willing to fight for his sake.

But the main thing was the wording.

"Amar" implies a very strong love and is mostly used for romantic love.

"Querer" (which can mean to love or to like depending on the context) has a more broad use, which can go from romantic love (but implies the feeling is not as strong as "amar") to platonic love.

And if I remember correctly, in that very same episode Catherine said she loved Trowa, but used "quiero", implying with that that she loved him as her brother.

And then, minutes later, Quatre was fighting and mentioning "realmento amo a Trowa" ("I really love Trowa")...

It can be interpreted as a very strong non-romantic love, but I don't know anyone who saw that scene and didn't assume it was romantic.

Thanks, that's interesting to know! English of course doesn't really have different words for friendship love or romantic love, even the words like or "care about" can mean a lot depending on context.

Anyway, even if it's only a translation thing, I love it!

Soy de México, estoy leyendo sus comentarios por medio de traducción Google. Y hablaré de esa parte del doblaje. Tomemos como canon la versión original en japonés. Desgraciadamente Quatre nunca le dice "te amo" a Trowa. El doblaje latino cometió muchas faltas. No solo en Gudam Wing , también en series como "Saint Seiya". Hicieron lo que se les vino en gana. Incluyendo , eliminando diálogos. La voz de Quatre en español es horrible, estridente . Metió cosas en los diálogos de Quatre que no estaban. Nunca le dice "Te amo", sino algo "de que se sacrificara por detener la matanza". Debido a eso ,y a una cultura misógina homofóbica , el fandom señala al personaje como débil. En lo personal, me encanta la pareja de Quatre y Trowa , pero nunca se señala una relación abierta entre ellos. Quizás si se lee entrelineas. Ese mismo capitulo , y cuando Quatre sale a pelear en la colonia L4 , después de haber visto a un Trowa con amnesia, Trowa se queda mirando hacia arriba, y le dice a Catherine que "él lo está llamando y que lo escucha llorar". Después decide tomar un transbordador para alcanzarlo. Quizás las señales sean sutiles entre ellos. Quizás por la época los escritores no ponían algo más abierto en dibujos animados. Saludos desde México. También buscaba evidencia oficial de su Canon.

na

Aww they were one of my very first ships :)

da

Same here. Baby's first slash ship.

Mine as well! I liked Heero/Duo, too, but not as strongly because of Relena (in the sense that I can see Quatre/Trowa as actually canon but not Heero/Duo). Though I heard that apparently the creators flat out said they meant no romance at all in canon, including Heero/Relena... so, there's that.

da

Iirc, they said that while they didn't mean for there to be any romance, they could see Heero/Relena happening down the line. And considering all the spinoff manga and even the anine series itself, I'd say that there were quite a few Heero/Relena fans on the staff.

Eh. I never knew what people saw with them. Same for Heero and Duo. I always thought that if anything, Heero and Trowa were the most compatible.

I'm the anon from above. Agreed on both accounts, I'm glad I'm not alone. I always thought the odd numbered pilots went together nicely. The lack of fic featuring them paired off with each other was disappointing. Especially the lack of 1x3x5 threesome fic. So much potential.

Yes. It's really sad. I would love to have some threesome fic with them going off infiltrating enemy organisations and having cool, dangerous adventures while being boyfriends together. They did it so well in the canon.

God damn it, now I'm craving 1x3x5 fic where the three are older and have started a mutually beneficial relationship during their time in preventers, with either Heero or Trowa coming up with the idea and getting Wufei involved, going on infiltration missions, living and sparring together to keep each other in tip top shape. The sparring smetimes ends up devolving into rough, savage sex because it is totally like foreplay for them. Plus, the adrenaline helps. Dear god, I've thought about this too much. Remind be why this fucking threesome wasn't a thing again?

I don't know and it's a tragedy. I really want that now, too. Damn.

An absolutely fucking tragedy. This fandom had five badass guys and yet it very rarely mixed up the pairings and explored other combinations. Instead, they just wrote the same two pairings over and over. What the fuck was wrong with this fandom. So many missed oppurtunities.

God, if I could write this fic, I so totally fucking would. This fic needs to exist, damn it.

I think what was sad as well was how they kept falling back to a very limited variation of fanon character traits and kept repeating them over and over. Gundam Wing wasn't perfect but the characters still deserved better in a way. I never really got why they stuck to those pairings in the first place. I mean, Heero and Trowa basically lived together like an old married couple for several episodes.

Yeah, me too. I don't have time nor talent to write it but if I had, I would.

I hated those fanon characterizations for the most part as well. Most of them either took certain character traits and blew them way out of proportion. For example, Trowa being so quiet that he only speaks a few lines total in the fanfic yes, Trowa is a pretty silent guy, but he is nowhere near that quiet. I never got the appeal of those pairings either. Trowa and Heero had a such chemistry in those episodes, omg.

I wish I had the talent for it too. God, it could be an epic fic detailing the evolution of their relationship throught the years. All the while showing them being the badass Preventers they are.

Not sure if you'll see this, but I'm so glad I'm not alone loving this threesome and the odd number pairings. So glad to see another GW alternate pairing shipper.

You... never knew what people saw in Trowa/Quatre? Have you seen the series, or..? ;) Joking. well, sort of. Trowa is like, Quatre's reason for fighting. Trowa basically sacrificed himself to bring Quatre to his senses. Quatre's gushiest lines are all about Trowa. I mean, the subtext is there and pretty blatant, unless it's a matter of personally not thinking they are good together?

Yeah well. I personally don't think Trowa is Quatre's one and only reason for fighting. If I had to categorise their relationship, I'd say it was a deep freindship with maybe onsided romantic feelings from Quatre's side. I'm not denying the subtext was there but to me, other pairings had at least as much subtext. But that's probably a matter of taste and of opinion. I'm not saying seeing them as "almost canon" is wrong, I just never saw it that way.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

[ SECRET POST #2623 ]

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?

Re: What non-canon slash pairings do you think are almost-canon?