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⌈ Secret Post #2695 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

11. http://i.imgur.com/ndpunLP.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I have never read it, but have heard it placed in a mess of historical settings. What would you say it actually is?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I'd say it roughly resembles Europe during the Georgian Period. Pre-Industrial Revoultion, but definitely some time after the medieval period, maybe the early 1800s. It's not when I think Attack on Titan is actually taking place, but it's the setting it most resembles.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm seeing a sword, timberframed buildings, mass death and destruction. Sounds close enough to Mediaeval to me.

[(Anonymous)]

JET PAAAACKS they have jet pack legs!

[(Anonymous)]

That...could describe so many time periods.

[(Anonymous)]

They have guns. And pressurized gas. And glasses. And women wear pants.

[(Anonymous)]

a medieval setting with JET PACKS! RAAAR!!!

[icecheetah]

Given the arguments on what "To you, 2000 years in the future" means, I don't think you are alone in thinking it's not medieval.

Though I hear that the term is badly missused, so I second the anon who asks "What would you say it actually is?"

OP

[(Anonymous)]

My beef isn't that I think people are placing Attack on Titan's timeline wrongly, because I'm also one of the fans who think the show could be taking place 2000 years in the future. My beef is people using the word medieval to describe the setting of the show, when it doesn't actually resemble Europe's medieval time period that much. I know, it's a thing only a history nerd like me cares about.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem is that it's hard to place it exactly in a period, because it's yet another sterling example of the whole Japanese People Don't Understand The History Of Technology phenomenon and suppose any/all discoveries could have come about any which way and that high pressure gas canisters have nothing to do with our developing knowledge of physics and/or chemistry which would have resulted in far more technological developments than we see here.

Well that or the creator does know, said fuck it, and just followed the Rule of Cool.

Also lol physics. Every single one of them would have broken their legs or ankles if they weren't dead on impact from some of those falls. Mikasa tumbles like four stories at one point and just shakes it off.

Throw yourself off a four story building onto cobblestones and see if "rolling with the momentum" really helps you, bro.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair pretty much anyone without that knowledge assumes similar things.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, no single Japanese person knows about any of that stuff.

Most writers are guilty of that. I think this author specially, since he really likes to pull ridiculous stuff out of his ass.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

But it's not just technology that defines a time period. It's also things like fashion, the structure of the state and army, and so forth. I don't think the author is trying very closely to imitate any period in European history, but not a lot about Attack on Titan resembles Europe's medieval time period.

some manga spoilers

[ketita]

tbh, I am more bothered by the fact that all this super fast propulsion centered around the lower back would probably snap spines really quickly. Let's face it, the 3DMG doesn't make any sense.

As for magical technology - it can be kinda-sorta excused by the fact that the government is in charge of distributing the gas canisters, and they have hit units out to kill anybody who has Bright Ideas for improving stuff.
But that makes the whole situation worse, because with that level of technology they should be able to make short work of the titans... only they're not because Conspiracy or something.

I don't think it's so much that Japanese don't understand history as them following the Rule of Cool. It's not trying to be authentic.
Though this specific author is not very good with history because DEAR GOD MAN revolutions do not work that way. The current storyline is probably the most terribly planned revolution I've ever seen.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? It's a fantasy show about fighting giant monsters who swallow people whole and you're getting hung up on real-world physics?

[khandri]

I don't know about anyone else, but based on the technology, I'd personally be inclined to call it an early industrial type of setting (think around the mid-1800s, where people still used swords alongside firearms and cannons) instead of medieval.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to be that person, but that sword seems a little too broad to be a nineteenth century sword. I suppose it could depend here this is taking place, but...that sword is earlier looking.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. SNK does not take place in a medieval times, it's practically stated in canon.

Spoilers if you aren't caught up on the manga:


It's already been uncovered that guns and other more modern technology have been developed repeatedly by different people, but been squashed and covered up by the government. So the reason the SNK world (at least what we can see of it) looks medieval has been deliberately stagnated at a medieval stage.

My theory is that the SNK world is a lot like the world of From the New World, where civilization got to a certain point before a catastrophic event (Telekinetics in FtNW, Titans in SNK) caused it to collapse and start over, so the story is actually taking place in the future.

I'm hoping the Titans are actually a very advanced biological weapon from 2000 years before the story's start that went seriously wrong and in the chaos everyone lost their history and most of their technology (aside maybe from the ruling class behind that religion, who clearly have a hand in keeping the masses ignorant) as they struggled to carve out territory with walls.

OP Explains

[(Anonymous)]

I thought more people would be agreeing with me!! People usually think all one needs to be medieval are things like peasants, kings, and castles, which isn't true - all those things lasted in Europe long after its medieval period ended. The weaponry, clothing, and social-political structure in Attack on Titan does't resemble the medieval period very much. Medieval periods (Europe's lasted around 500-1400) are typically characterized by the feudal system, which involved knights and a state system that wasn't very centralized. In Attack on Titan we see that the King has strong centralized administrative power, and a large, well trained infantry army, that uses weapons such as flintlocks firearms- all things not really seen in medieval time settings.
Also, fashions, such as the cravat that Levi wears, didn't emerge in Europe until a good time after the Middle Ages were over.
I would say that Attack on Titan roughly resembles Europe as it did in the early 1800s.

OP Again

[(Anonymous)]

I'd like to add that I'm not trying to 'place' when Attack on Titan is taking place - it could be taking 2000 years in in the future from now, or on an entriely different planet for all I know. My main beef is people wrongly using the word 'medieval' to describe the Attack on Titan setting, when it really has nothing to do with the word at all.
Yeah, I'm the only person who cares about this shit, I know.

Re: OP Explains

[blueonblue]

I don't think it's supposed to be "medieval" - it's a hodgepodge of "Western" styles based more on RPGs than actual history.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh. And here I thought that,if anything, it was supposed to be some dystopian futuristic setting - something a long, long time after some great big catastrophe. Like Adventure Time, just less colourful. Because of the old timey buildings meet anachronistic weird tech stuff and all.
But anyway, I still think it's a completely fictional, very loosely inspired by all kinds of things setting plus a dose of rule of cool thrown in.

[(Anonymous)]

What the hell. Medieval?? Okay. What the hell.

[blitzwing]

Why not medieval? It's not like there's another time period that it would really slot into much better.

Medieval works for me; the small geographical focus fits in with that time period; later on you have military and economic movement on an inter-continental if not global scale.