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F!S Anon Meme (the Tenth?)

Secrets, rants, opinions, anything you want to say about your fandom or a fandom or fandom in general, do it here! Anonymously, of course. Get it all off your chest.

Some ground rules:
1. Going anon is encouraged but not absolutely required (for those who struggle with captchas and stuff).
2. No autoplaying/autolooping embeds, or embeds that cover/stretch the screen.
3. No dropping personal info or IRL contact info, etc.

That's about it!

List of General Threads (for easy access!)
a. Vid Rec thread
b. Positivity thread
c. What do you think of other F!S members?
d. Best Comments thread
e. Canceled Shows thread
f. Confessions thread
g. TMI thread
h. Which fictional character would you be...
i. "Is this offensive?"
j. In the good ol' days of fandom...
k. Popular fanfic you don't like
l. Really weird things you read in fanfics

Comments

Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

It annoys me tremendously when people say they're Narnia fans and then go "but it's too Christian" or "it would be so much better without the religious stuff" or "I don't see why the animals needed human rulers, they should have overthrown them and started a republic." If you're offended or annoyed by overt Christian themes in a story, it might not be the best choice to read the works of a Christian theologian. Acting surprised or upset or miffed that a man who explicitly went on record as saying that the Narnia books were meant as an AU of Christianity, elected to actually write them as an AU of Christianity, is completely absurd - go and read non-religious authors instead, then. But if your understanding of those Christian themes is so nonexistent that you don't get why human kings and queens were put in charge of a land of animals in a Christianity AU, you probably won't see what I'm getting at here anyway.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[blunderbuss]

I really really dislike the Roy/Riza pairing in the Fullmetal Alchemist manga. Not because I ship Roy/Ed or any dumb shit like that, but because;

a) I hate it when a male/female pair MUST be in love in order to protect each other and can't just stay close friends
b) Their relationship is unhealthy on quite a few levels and no one seems to notice
c) Riza's whole backstory and current arc revolves around Roy and I want her to have a life OUTSIDE of him

But the worst part was the fans who squeed at the Roy/Riza in every chapter even back when it was ambiguous and started declaring it canon, and laughed at anyone who thought it wasn't an obvious done deal since chapter 5. Especially when they took Riza's threat of murder/suicide as a romantic moment that 'confirmed' the pairing.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

I think you just summed up my problems with most of the canon pairings in the manga better than I could have. Ed/Winry has all those too, which I realized slowly and to my growing disappointment because I loved them in the 2003 anime.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

"a) I hate it when a male/female pair MUST be in love in order to protect each other and can't just stay close friends"

Not into FMA (yet) but THIS. Especially shounen anime for instance. If there's two characters, a guy and a girl, who are friends, or colleagues, or whatever, it's like there always has to be a romantic link between them on at least one side.

Guys and girls just can't be 100% platonic friends without any romantic feelings it seems in that kind of anime.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

I love the hell out of the pairing because the two of them hit practically every button I have, but I can still get behind all your arguments.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

I love this pairing and I've written it, but I also think that most of what gets written in the pairing is terrible. Because it doesn't recognize the fucked up nature, because the fans are hilariously obsessed with it being canon WHEN IT'S NOT and because so many people who ship it are obsessed with the characters an OTP who never loves anyone else when there's plenty of room in canon for them to have other relationships.

Also people love to write super-heteronormative 'oh surprise she's pregnant which clearly is not something that would put a cramp in her style as a military officer at all' fics for this pairing and it makes me nuts.

(That said, there is a lot of fic I love for the pairing but it's almost all one-shots. The lack of epic casefic with UST for these two saddens me to no end because there's so much room for it.)

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[skippydelicious]

Barbara was a better character in the wheelchair, curing her has made her less special and more generic. Her evolution as Oracle was also the best response ever to a fridging, and gave her more resonance with some of the wheelchair using fanbase.

Yeah, I know, it is over and I need to move on.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[thezmage]

I don't know of anyone who actually feels like anyone should get over this.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

I will never, EVER get over this.

Agreed

[(Anonymous)]

Christian themes are fine, the real problem with Narnia is that it sucks

Re: Agreed

[ex_mek82]

Yeah, I agree. This does remind me of a time when I had a discussion about CS Lewis with one of the guys at my work once . He said that he felt Lewis was good at writing non-fiction, but his fiction work (the Space Trilogy and Narnia in particular) leaves a lot to be desired. And honestly, I agree with him. I really love 'A Problem of Pain' and 'The Four Loves' in particular (both non-fiction), but not so much everything else, imo.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[skippydelicious]

I never saw the Christianity stuff when I was growing up, the more pagan elements always seemed so pronounced. Of course I wasn't brought up in an overly religious family. Even the last book didn't make me think Christianity, just thought it was yet another depressing final book. Of course the book I'd read immediately before it was "Mostly Harmless", which had just been released, so that probably influenced my depression over it. If Lewis wanted to make Narnia a clarion call for Christianity, he did a darn poor job of it if you ask me. I think the reputation for being a Christian recruiting fic has been greatly overblown by the internet and people are being really over sensitive regarding that. Also, they are all good reads with the exception of HaHB and TLB, which have their problems.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

He was actually fairly subtle about it for the most part (though I'd argue that Last Battle is less subtle). Certainly far more subtle than someone like Philip Pullman who gets called out for his propaganda far less. Not quite as subtle as Tolkien, certainly, but for what Lewis was trying to do I think he succeeded in doing it without overpowering the story.

To be honest, that is what matters to me anyway. As long as it is well integrated and the author doesn't sacrifice the story for their message, I don't particularly care what the message is in fantasy. People like Lewis and Tolkien managed to pull it off whereas people like Pullman and Goodkind don't understand the meaning of the word subtle. I don't necessarily agree completely with any of the perspectives, but I just want to read a good story without being knocked over the head with the author's message.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

This! I was raised jewish and didn't even notice any christian themes until someone pointed them out to me. . .

in college.

Oblivious anon is oblivious.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

Yeahhh, I agree. I'm an atheist and I'm not fond of Lewis' views on the matter, but I like and accept the fact that the Christian motifs are a major part of his works. Otherwise I just wouldn't like his works at all.

Of course everyone enjoys fandom differently, but liking Lewis' books while disliking the Christian undertones is spectacularly missing the point. And certainly the opinion that this has anything to do with the actual technical quality of his stuff is eyeroll-worthy.

On a completely unrelated note, the Inspector Morse fanbase kind of depresses me with their utter indifference towards the book!verse. I'm definitely not a purist, and Dexter himself loves the TV canon, but why does no one even bother to read the books?? :/

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

I got into Friends looong after it was cool to like Friends, and I don't understand why anyone ever shipped Ross/Rachel. The show wouldn't have been the show as we know it without the contrived will they/won't they, but I had no idea why we were supposed to believe they even liked one another as friends, much less were in love with each other.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. That relationship was incredibly unhealthy.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, and I absolutely loathe the whole "nerdy/loser guy has a crush on the most popular/pretty girl in school" trope and eventually he wins her over and they are happily ever after.

Well, the opposite too.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[ex_mek82]

I've only recently gotten back into FF7, and I'm not sure if Aerith v. Tifa is still a thing, and I really hope it's not anymore. For the record, I used to be a huge Aerith stan, but I largely ignored Tifa altogether until just recently. I've gained an incredibly huge appreciation for her in my current replay, to the point where's she's now one of my all-time favorite FF characters. I also like both, fwiw.

That, and I'm beginning to find there's really no basis for pitting them against one another over Cloud (despite a few moments here and there that may suggest there's some sort of rivalry for his affection), and the mere thought of it makes me disappointed. I can't even look at older FF7 fandom stuff because I occasionally come across anti-Aerith and/or anti-Tifa stuff and it makes me grumpy. XT

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

Here's one from my childhood - in the Sweet Valley series, why on earth was Elizabeth supposed to be "the nice one" when she was sometimes even more conniving and selfish than Jessica? Especially in Sweet Valley University, which I never read but apparently when Jessica's proclaimed innocent at a trial for drug use or something, Elizabeth responds by making out with her boyfriend? And she was supposed to be "the nice" one?

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, this. The only reason I can think of looking back on it was that Jessica was usually the one who started shit and Elizabeth had to deal with it, but the ways she dealt with it made her just as bad. I hated her and all the "nice" girls in the Sweet Valley clone books I read because they were almost all like that.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

I have a lot for The Office since I didn't get into it until well after it was over.

Michael Scott was a horrible person and I can't believe everyone sang that sappy song for him when he left. The show's quality went up and down multiple times throughout its run, and it was never because of him leaving.

Andy/Erin was awful. They dated, she dumped him, he pined, she moved on, she went back to him, he turned her down, she pined, she moved because of him, he suddenly liked her again, she turned him away, she ran after him, they dated, she dumped him again. They may have beaten Ross/Rachel's record.

Jim proposing to Pam when she told him she didn't want a long engagement and getting houses/new jobs without her wasn't cute, and when this was finally brought up, they backtracked and said the problem was Pam being afraid of change.

The Senator storyline was disgusting. It seemed OOC for Oscar to date a (gay, but still typical) Republican and all they showed of the affair was superficial, while Dwight and Angela cheated too but had plenty of scenes establishing their connection and got a happy ending.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

Andy/Erin had so much potential, both as a ship and in terms of character development. I don't know what happened, but you're right, they made Ross and Rachel look healthy. It doesn't help that Erin was so... childish, too. (And as a side note, I think they missed an opportunity for a cute Pam/Erin friendship with them. Erin was a bit like Pam was in the first two seasons, if more naive and ditzy, and it just would've been... cute. But I guess The Office wasn't that kind of show.)

I have no idea what the Senator storyline even was, especially given how appalled Oscar was when he first realized Angela was the Senator's beard. It just didn't seem like something Oscar would ever do.

As for Michael, it would've made sense had they always had that sort of love-hate relationship with him; the only ones who did, that we ever saw, were Pam and Jim. Everyone else either hated or ignored him.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

I wish Ugly Betty had decided whether or not it was a parody of celebrity worship and crazy soap operas, or whether or not it was embracing it. Also, I wish they hadn't doubted the audience's intelligence.

Re: Rants about fandom stuff that you feel is probably too old to warrant making a secret about

[(Anonymous)]

I saw Reservoir Dogs for the first time recently and immediately went to find a kink meme. I am so confused as to how the kink meme even functioned and received fills considering the strict trigger warning policy and exhaustive list of obligatory warnings that they had. I mean, has the mod even seen the movie? Trigger warnings don't even bother me usually, but this I genuinely don't understand.

http://resdog-kink.dreamwidth.org/583.html