[ SECRET POST #2759 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2759 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/xc8I9Fg.jpg

[kaijinscendre]

There is actually a post going around on Tumblr about the cure aspect of your secret.

[(Anonymous)]

Could I have a link?

[mekkio]

I hate to say it but when you have people who have powers like being about to cause brain hemorrhages on global scale all at once with just a thought, I'd like to know who these people are and where they are at all times.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, and anyone non-white should have to register because you know them blacks and the crime rates. Also them brown people and their terrorism.

I think you see why that's a bad idea, since being a mutant is an allegory for racism.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes but allegories are, at their cure, imperfect. If black people blew up buildings with their minds, you'd have a point.

The discrimination is an allegory for racism. The superpowers just make things cool while they do it.

[(Anonymous)]

Or rather, your fictional scenario would have a point. But anyone can have access to guns and planes, and the crime rate, as far as I know, isn't actually higher among black people.

[(Anonymous)]

Ehh, I don't think - especially with the new movies - "mutants" are really a great allegory for racism. Even if they were meant to parallel various marginalized groups. I think a better metaphor is sexual orientation, because it happens relatively randomly to anyone, from any family. It's not a race of people with a shared culture, heritage, etc.

And sexual orientation or race, neither group is a walking weapon of mass destruction. If mutants were real, the parallel to real marginalized groups gets pretty weak.

[(Anonymous)]

To me the social rights metaphors for stuff like this and True Blood fall apart when you consider people do have valid reasons for fearing them or wanting regulation.

I mean with True Blood, even the 'good' vampires have killed innocent people at one point and with X-Men you run risk of a mutant leveling a baseball stadium over the White House or obliterating a building if his glasses fall off.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, totally.

[peablossom]

The thing about registration is it's potential to be misused. It's also where the mutants-as-proxy-for-oppressed-group thing falls apart the worst, I think. Because, yeah, mutants are actually dangerous.

I agree about the cure thing, too. Storm's response to Rogue in X2 was always super irritating to me.

[insanenoodlyguy]

In that case, I thought less about racial issues and more about the pathetic "deaf culture" that antagonizes those that want to FIX SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DETRIMENTAL.

Movie Rouge's power is hardly doing her any favors most of the time.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm very uncomfortable with that first line of logic as I have literally heard it in my lifetime for people who are of Middle Eastern descent and the reasoning being, "But they could be terrorists!"

[(Anonymous)]

I agree about the cure part of your secret. Then again, I feel the same way about things like medical marijuana. Here it's not easy for someone who suffers from an illness to get. You'll only get a prescription as a last resort, basically you're dying. I feel like it should be the patient's choice on if they want to go down that road for treatment and should be allowed. Only of course if it's not going to cause complications.

As for the registry. I don't feel like it's necessary. Perhaps it could be part of a census question in which the respondent could choose not to answer if they didn't feel comfortable enough.

I suppose my main stance on it all is giving choices.

I haven't read many of the X-Men comics, mostly because there are so many and every time I attempt to it's incredibly overwhelming. But I get by with the movies and tv series. I can understand if people haven't read the comics and don't really blame them.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

To clarify, A) I would not suggest this in real life. But no one in real life is wolverine.
and B) I do not think you should have to register if you have the amazing ability to grow lilies from your hair. But if you can blow up a building with a thought (especially if you can't control it) then yes, at least SOMEONE should know you exist. We have gun registry laws for a reason.

[ariakas]

So... you made a secret about your response to the discussion we already had about exactly this last week instead of responding in the comments.

Okay.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, OP.

To all the people whining about racism - there is a very practical difference that falls through the metaphor. Non-mutants can't inherently do anything. Being black doesn't mean you have the power to murder a lot of people or whatever. Having a weapon of mass destruction does. If people have powers that are akin to dangerous weapons, I should think they ought to register like anyone else who owns a weapon.

Yes, it sucks. Yes, real life mutants should have rights, etc. But in this very hypothetical scenario, it's people with weapons inherent inside of them, and there's no reason why people shouldn't register their powers. It's not the same as racism or homophobia or whatever, not beyond a very simplified comic metaphor.

To let you know about the X-men universe

[(Anonymous)]

Without even talking about the real world metaphors, I will tell you this, ANY registration, cure, weapon, or any means of controlling or fighting mutants is ALWAYS misused in the marvel universe.

Like these things pretty much never go right, they always end up wiping out mutants, or actively oppressing them, or opening the door to something much worse.

Even just from the movie universe, you should know that. I mean yeah, I can understand the want for a cure in the case of some mutants, but again, it pretty much always goes wrong and ends up getting abused.

[littlestbirds]

I'm not sure I want to get involved in this. I don't think it's a metaphor for race or orientation, but there is a relationship with the civil rights movement.

My impression is that mutants deserve to be treated like any citizen. They have different abilities but so what, are we assuming the only thing stopping people from committing horrific crimes is their lack of capability? No, the state needs to accept that this is part of who humanity is now. These are kids with different needs. There could be a voluntary registry, or a census check box, if you can do cool stuff and want to help or think you could be a danger to others in certain situations, but involuntary registration is inhumane and unjustified and creates stigma that then results in commonplace discrimination. No, the race parallel isn't perfect, nor is the gay rights one, but the common thread is that the government should represent all citizens. And one facet that has no civil rights parallel: Forcing mutants to register is identifying them by their possible application, it's practically a step away from weaponization. Of people.

So that's what I walked out of DoFP with, anyway.

What's with all the X-men wank

[(Anonymous)]

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[(Anonymous)]

Totally agree. Some mutants have powers as destructive as weapons of mass destruction. It sounds bizarre but it totally makes sense to keep track of them, especially when at least some of them are actual super villains.

And I agree about the cure thing, too. Why the hell wouldn't you want to cure something that makes you totally isolated?

Theory vs Practice, and fuck the racism allegories.

[nyxelestia]

In theory, registering people with extremely dangerous capabilities has a good bit of reason to it. In practice, there is a LOT of room for abuse in that system.

As for the racism metaphors...

In real life, people who are in fact capable of committing threats or potentially likely to ARE ALREADY REGISTERED - just not centrally, so no one notices. Airline pilots who could just drive their plane into a building go through a rigorous amount of security and background checks. People who work in places with lots of access to dangerous chemicals - especially explosive ones - are monitored by various control agencies. People who demonstrate a potential for committing terrorism (i.e. certain online activities) are monitored by the NSA, FBi, CIA, etc on the off chance they act on it. And in more states than not, there is a lot of paperwork and oversight associated with running a gun shop, because imagine the damage the shop owner would be able to do if they decided to really USE their guns.

So let's take out the born with it aspect for a second and focus on just "people who are highly capable of doing dangerous things without much effort/trouble". We already have people like that registered and monitored.

However, in all those cases there is an element of choice with it, and with it an element of control.

So on the one hand, mutants don't have a choice in being mutants, and with it they wouldn't get a choice in being registered. On the other hand - not all of them have control, either. You can have the sweetest, most pacifistic and well-meaning kid in the world - if they have the ability to make things explode just by looking at it and they can't control it, then there needs to be a system to ensure that someone can keep the kid from anywhere dangerous until they get a grip on that power.

So I definitely believe that if mutants were real, registration would need to be, too - but with it, there would need to be lots of invovement with the mutant community, confidentiality and security around the registry (if nothing else, you don't want actual terrorists to kidnap and exloit the aforementioned hypothetical mutant kid), and a host of other, smaller conditions to go with registration.

As for the cure...

The comic it appeared in featured mutants whose lives had been destroyed by their mutations, literally begging for the cure.

Forcing a medical solution is never right, but neither is preventing it completely. Is weaponizing the cure a big, potential problem? Absolutely. But so are many people's mutations, for themselves and for their loved ones.

[iggy]

...Yeah the cure should definitely be a thing. Some people's powers are awesome, but other powers are horrific and completely shatter the person's quality of life. If you're born with an illness that, while it doesn't kill you, makes it so you can't live the kind of life you'd like to lead, then why the hell shouldn't you be able to get a cure without being shamed?

Also to a few of the gun owners commenting in this thread; you frighten me, and I think you sound creepy as shit.

[maverickz3r0]

...I want to know where some of these gun owners live so I can stay the fuck away from there.

Anyway. I do think the cure should be a thing for mutants who don't want their mutation; Rogue is the poster child for them. However, X3 strongly implied/all-out stated that it wasn't a cure, it was a suppressant, so they'd have to take it more regularly. Power suppression drugs are still sort of the same thing, but it makes me less uncomfortable than calling it a 'cure' because...mutation is not an actual disease or anything.

And I can see registering powers that have specifically combat applications. Like, Pyro? Register him. Any and all mind-power mutants? Register. Kid who can blink through TV channels or write from spoken word by holding their hand above the page? Not necessary. There's borderline ones too; I'd err toward registering Iceman and Shadowcat whose powers are not necessarily combative but they are combat-trained, but I know there's mutants in the comics with stuff like 'makes fireworks' and 'understands any language' who I don't think need to be.

So basically I agree yeah, anyone whose powers have the ability to be inherently destructive or combative on their own should be registered.

I don't care for any sort of automatic registration.

[(Anonymous)]

But if you deliberately assault/maim/kill someone with your power then, yes, you should be punished and registered (with exceptions in the cases of self-defense or defense of others). If your power is destructive/violent and you have no control over it, you should probably be isolated until you have a way to control it (gloves, visor, training, etc.).