[ SECRET POST #2928 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2928 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Psycho-Pass]


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[Tokyo Ghoul]


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[Wild Adapter]


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[Ayumi Kasai/xxxHolic]


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[Mighty Morphin Power Rangers]


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[Dragon Age]


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[The Hobbit]


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[Libriomancer by Jim C. Hines]


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[Saiyuki]


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17. [ SPOILERS for Dragon Age: Inquisition ]



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18. [ SPOILERS for Over the Garden Wall ]



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19. [ SPOILERS for Dragon Age: Inquisition ]



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20. [ SPOILERS for Sons of Anarchy ]



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21. [ WARNING for rape ]

[Revenge]























Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #418.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/yw8ON3G.png

[(Anonymous)]

This sounds like a Destiheller wrote this.

[(Anonymous)]

No it doesn't. Neither Dean nor Castiel are in canon romances.

[intrigueing]

No, REALLY? I'm sure NO ONE has EVER thought of this before! What a fresh, creative, cutting-edge, groundbreaking way of looking at fiction! You have inspired so many people with this incredibly rare and brilliant perspective!

[(Anonymous)]

Wow OP. This is a new one. This certainly isn't an idea that 90% of all fans everywhere have been touting since the Jo/Laurie vs Amy/Laurie shipwars. No sirree bob.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Urgh -- I should have deleted this secret.

I made it when I was pissed off because some asshole was telling me I'm a misogynist because I won't "admit" that Character B is in love with Character A.

Because when he treats like shit/ignores her while pouring all of his emotion into Character C, that's totally TRUE LOVE!

But…yeah. Captain Obvious secret is Obvious. Just felt like ranting when I made it because I was sick of being told that the author's inability to make their ideas convincing (to me) means I'm sexist.

Re: OP

[siofrabunnies]

No, you shouldn't have deleted this. Just because it's been said before doesn't mean you can't say it. Your thoughts and reasons still matter. So what if it's obvious to some people? Not everyone has had this discussion.

Don't let sarcastic jerks get in your way. Death of the Author is a huge, varied debate.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

don't feel bad about not deleting

Re: OP

[intrigueing]

Okay, I feel like a jerk. Obviously, I've been spending far too much time around egomaniacs who always act like their ideas are ~the most original thing eva~ to stop and remember that there are lots of different reason someone would want to say something like this. I apologize for the knee-jerk sarcasm.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry someone was an asshole to you in real life, and also that you ended up feeling like you needed to apologize for your secret. I can think of a couple of different stories/films/series where your secret applies, and as a casual FS reader I haven't seen this idea expressed exactly this way in a secret before. So thanks-- this really clarifies the objections I've felt or read about certain canon romances where fans really felt some other pairing made more sense.

Re: OP

[cloud_riven]

No need to apologize! If every secret was completely new and never heard of, that's kind of a bad bar to go by. Sure, your thoughts might not be new to a lot, but this is YOU expressing it. Chances are that someone else hasn't heard it anyway.

Just gotta learn to take the comments as they come imo. I could very well stink up a thread to tell folk their secrets and comments are droll, but that's pointless and boring. Because even those add something someone might not have thought of.

[(Anonymous)]

i agree tbh. and fuck anyone whining about this not being original. neither is half the other shit here.

[(Anonymous)]

1) Themes are not the same as canon events. Themes are interpretations of the text. Canon events are stuff that occurred in-universe. For example, it is a canon event that, for example, Ron/Hermione happened and happened long-term. You are free to disagree with whether that's a good thing or not, and of course you're free to write AU or post-epilogue fic where they're not a couple, but saying it didn't happen is not comparable to interpreting the themes differently.

2) Related, just because B and C have a deeper and more important relationship than A and B, doesn't really mean anything. For more real life people than Hollywood implies, friendships outlast and are stronger than their romantic relationships. Of course, *if* you're interpreting the story as a contest of "which relationship, if romantic, would be the best one?" then sure, B/C would be more appealing than A/B. But that's a big "if."

3) To echo the two commenters above me, lol, you *do* realize fans have been saying the exact thing you're saying for decades upon decades, right?

[(Anonymous)]

For me, it has more to do with respecting the source material. I may not agree with the pairings, but the author/artist created it and shared it - if I'm into it enough to even care about any of the characters, then I feel like I should at least be respectful of where it all came from.

...that's not really what you were talking about, is it? :-/

[feotakahari]

I finally figured out how to explain why I don't get this.

To define some terms, the Watsonian approach to interpretation is to interpret things from an in-universe perspective--why would the characters do X? The Doylist approach is to look at the writer--why would they write the characters doing X?

If a story is well-written, I can look at things from a Watsonian perspective. But when the writer botches up so horribly that I can't go along with what they've written, I can't approach it in any way other than Doylist. My suspension of disbelief is too thoroughly shattered not to notice the guiding puppet strings of the writer, wrapped around his characters' necks and slowly strangling them.

I guess it's great that you can maintain enough of a Watsonian perspective to say "A/B don't work, but B and C love each other!" But the closest I can come is "B/C would have had potential if this hack writer hadn't gone for A/B!"

[(Anonymous)]

This is something I always found frustrating. I respect the authors right to do whatever they want in their work, but when it comes to pairings sometimes I feel like they put more effort into the relationship that didn't become canon.

It's not even a matter of preference for me. I've had ships I don't care for become canon and I can see where it's coming from, but sometimes it just feels like a wasted opportunity.

[(Anonymous)]

Because you can disagree with something 100% without necessarily disrespecting it?

I'll respect any creator's right to present their characters in whatever relationship they choose, and also mine to decide how believable that is (and in turn, my right to crank out shittons of fanfic to compensate). I can accept that canon exists without the need to shriek "I'm more right than the author!" because that's a) disrespectful and b) obviously wrong.

How successful a writer is at conveying a relationship doesn't negate it's factual existence. You're welcome to AU, Fix-It and/or Epilogue the crap out of it, but it veers into disrespect when you're claiming you know better than the author what should happen to their creations. No you don't, you disagree with it, which is valid, but doesn't trump the original creator.

Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

Image: a brass replica of a civil war field artillery piece.

Text: I don’t understand why it seems as though fans are expected to respect canon parings. So the author wrote a relationship intending to believe that two characters are in love? And…so what? Why exactly does that mean I have to respect it? Alternate interpretations even of major THEMES of works has always occurred.

Example: Ray Bradbury (author for Fahrenheit 451) has said that his book was NOT primarily about censorship but about how worthless television was destroying literature. Despite what he intended, though, the prominence of book destruction in his story means that a lot of readers, academics, and literary critics focused on censorship as the central theme of the novel.

So if one writes a “romance” between Character A and Character B but then devotes much more time to developing the bond between Character B and Character C and shows them expressing greater emotion towards one another than B ever did to A, of course some people are going to come away caring more about B/C than B/A. And I don’t think that the fact that the author wanted a B/A romance grants it some magical right to more respect than B/C.

[insanenoodlyguy]

My dear anon , go read Death of the Author. You are late on this one by 48 years or so. :P

[(Anonymous)]

I feel your pain, anon. One of my main fandoms has a canon pairing that I hate and that the whole fandom loves. And I'm constantly being told that I just don't understand canon because I don't ship A/B, despite the fact that A/B makes a lot less sense than A/C (or even A/D or A/E for that matter).

e.e

[raspberryrain]

OK, yeah. I'm a writer. Why don't you tell me to my face who you think the real pairings are in my work?

[(Anonymous)]

This sounds a lot like what's going on in the Naruto fandom right now. If this secret isn't about the ending of Naruto, I will be very, very surprised (and a little intrigued, let's share fandom trench stories OP! haha)

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

You know what I view as "respecting canon" while shipping non-canon? Finding a way to break up or otherwise nullify the canon pairing without bashing the character you don't want.

Other than that, all I can say is ignore people who get in a tizzy and start yelling about "disrespecting canon" as I am sure there is a hell of a lot of crap that happens in fanfic that is plenty more "disrespectful" than shipping a non-canon couple.

Also, with your A/C vs. B/C, I know a common fandom triangle that makes me think of. A/B was badly written while the platonic B/C worked better.

[(Anonymous)]

Bitter slash fan is bitter.
Which one of them are you? Sherlock? kirk/spock?

[(Anonymous)]

Idk if it's people asking you to respect canon, or if people get sick of the shipper wars started by the fans who ship the pair that is not canon - and keep telling the canon fans that they are doing shipping wrong because your ship is the real thing while theirs is a farce.
Because to be honest? It seems to me that in some fandoms, especially where the popular not canon ship is m/m slash, people are expected to respect the not canon ships more and not dispute them and the bias of their fans because their ship will never be canon - but on the flip side fans of the not canon ships have the right to express their frustration over their ship not being canon by bashing the canon ship and torment their fans with unnecessary shipper wars where there shouldn't be any.
Shippers have a bad reputation among the general fans for a reason.