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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm afraid it's the start of a dark chapter in European history, where we struggle with protecting our way of life without resorting to sending all Muslims to camps, ala the camps for the Japanese in America.

[(Anonymous)]

This is so immature of me, but I can't help but be amused that when you're talking about a "dark chapter in European history" and sending people to camps, you bring up the camps for the Japanese in AMERICA as an example.

When there's much more familiar and close to home examples of people being sent to camps for their religion in recent European history.

Sorry -- I know I'm completely missing the point.

[(Anonymous)]

The internment of the Japanese to nonlethal camps was very different to the Holocaust. It was in response to the threat to the US from Japan - a much closer analogy to the situation than the genocide and eugenic cleansing attempted by the Nazis.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh…the Nazis still sent communists and political dissidents to camps as well. It wasn't just the Jews.

But I see your point.

I just think it's funny that an example from the US was used here.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure whether the analogy is a good one, just because the Japanese internment camps were so weird, in terms of being such a specific, momentary, short-term thing, and also in terms of the fact that the government and military straight-up actually lied in order to get it done. I suspect the narrative surrounding Islam in Europe is likely to look significantly different.

None of that of course is to say that the internment of Japanese-Americans was anything other than shameful and horrible.

[(Anonymous)]

This might be relevant to the discussion:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LeBKBFAPwNc

George Takei's TEDTalk on what it was like to actually be in one of those camps.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know. Did USA send all their Muslims to camps following September 2001?

[(Anonymous)]

Different situation.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really? We're talking about two acts of terrorism here, right?

[(Anonymous)]

No one was sent to camps, but people were…well…really shitty to anyone who was Muslim or Arab. Or looked Muslim or Arab. Or who they thought was Muslim or Arab.

The government itself, though, didn't really do much.

There were some things -- like being targeted by TSA! Yippee! But nothing on the scale that's being discussed here.

[(Anonymous)]

Also bear in mind that Le Front National is a Nazi group, with the swastikas filed off. So, yeah, it's disturbing on more levels than just the "If yer aginst us, ya support TEH TURRISTS!" drum-banging from Western countries.

[(Anonymous)]

They didn't, but they did start this war were millions of civillians were killed. You might have heard of it.

Not to mention it's well documented that many innocent Muslim people were sent to prison (some even to Guantanamo) without a trial thanks to the PATRIOT ACT.

[(Anonymous)]

what does this have to do with charlie hedbo

[(Anonymous)]

They started a war with Afghanistan because of the Taliban. Of course the USA was going to retaliate.

Iraq was for oil.

[(Anonymous)]

No, but there's instances of muslim families in the US (including small children!) being taken from their homes and seperated. Even when they were let go after months (because they were innocents) there was never any kind of reparition or apology made.

[(Anonymous)]

Short of a major government upheaval I don't see that happening. Right now we're at a point where Muslims could assassinate Obama and suicide bomb the Eiffel Tower and people would be more concerned about "islamophobia" or hurting their feelings with pictures of Mohammed.

[(Anonymous)]

...duh? If the actions of a small group of terrorists are blamed on all Muslims, this could mean more wars, which would lead not only to countless civilian deaths, but also to more extremist islamic groups emerging in response to the violence against innocent people.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm hardly advocating full-scale war, just holding Muslims up to the same standards as other religious groups.

[(Anonymous)]

That's obviously untrue and I think you know it's untrue.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, shut up.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you.

[othellia]

Maybe certain segments of the internet. There will always be extremist left-wingers as there are right-wingers. But not the population as a whole.

[(Anonymous)]

Welll there was the Rotherham child sexual abuse scandal. Where officials let it go on for years because they did not want to be accused of being racist against Muslims.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28951612

[(Anonymous)]

It's really weird to me that you've managed to immediately turn the discussion of this topic to how racist the USA is.

Is that unfair? Maybe.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh it's definitely unfair.

I'm Arab. And while America certainly has pulled some shit on my family, it's nowhere near the institutionalized racism in Europe.

Now if we're talking about black people, though, the situation's reversed.

But since it's Arabs/Muslims, I don't think we should be looking at the US for the worst examples of racism.