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I will never understand why "Don't tag your hate" is such a popular thing in fandom.

If I write a post about an issue I have with a character (say, Tony Stark for instance), I really don't get why people get so angry that I tagged it as "Tony Stark."

That is literally the most relevant tag and I want to be able to find my posts about Tony Stark all under one tag.

If you don't like it, then don't keep reading and don't reblog. Simple right?

+1 The "don't tag your hate" thing bothers me because there are some of us out there who actually WANT to see the hate. Even in things I love I like reading thoughtful critique.

People need to learn to scroll and not take their fandoms so personally.

Eh, at the same time, given Tumblr's extraordinary propensity for taking everything too far, I can't blame people if they don't want to deal with some of that shit.

AYRT Well if someone doesn't want to tag their own critique, I respect that because it's their choice.

I was more thinking of the people who try to bully others into not tagging their rants, because that bothers me.

Re: Fandom Etiquette

(Anonymous) - 2015-04-26 21:29 (UTC) - Expand

Fuck yes this.

I don't mind critical meta getting tagged, but just bitching about a character in the tag seems like the poster wants to stir up shit.

Yes, this.

Sorry if I wanna rant about a dumb character, I'd like to find it later. So I'll tag it.

Get over it.

If you put five throwaway tags (like dashes or random strings of numbers) before the character tag, it will show up on your blog when you want to find it later but it won't show up when people search the tag on Tumblr. It's not hard.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-04-28 00:46 (UTC) - Expand

Considering there are a million different ways you can label things for your own personal organization needs, this is frankly the most transparent bullshit excuse you could come up with.

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otakugal15 - 2015-04-27 06:23 (UTC) - Expand

You can put in placeholder tags - then you can still find it later but everyone else doesn't have to see a mindless rant. Do 5 dummy tags and any after that won't register in the tumblr search system

i.e #filler #filler2 #filler3 #placeholder #lastone #thatcharacterIhatecoughdaudcough

Eta: Ah I see you've been told about it, never mind

Edited 2015-04-27 09:54 (UTC)

This. Do I really need to see "character A sucks!" under the character tag? I would love to discuss the character (well, as much as tumblr allows discussion), and I definitely don't think they are perfect, but some of the stuff I see tagged is ridiculous. Can't it just be tagged "Character A rant" or "Character A hate" or something?

Yeah. I frequently see people posting variations of "I really hate [name of the show]" in the main tag of a show I'm a fan of, and that's just... not what anyone comes to look for in that tag. It doesn't even contribute anything. It's not constructive, it has no context... Okay, it's quick to scroll past, but.

I guess I don't like seeing "clutter" on specific Tumblr tags. I wanna spend my Tumblr procrastination time actually focused on something I care about, not scrolling past unconstructive hate posts.

And the "it's for my own blog's organization" excuse doesn't really work because they could just add five filler tags before the organization tag, then they could find it on their blog but it wouldn't show up on the main tag. Or even better, tag it "#anti [something]" and/or "#[something] hate", then other people who want to find criticism or hate of the thing, could find THAT easily, AND it wouldn't clutter the main tag...

There's a difference between an issue with a character or "thoughtful critique" as the anon above said and hate, though. I get that everything that's not "this character is a literal ray of sunshine and can do absolutely no wrong" gets labelled as hate by some people - and that's the real issue here imo - but as someone who loves characters that are hated in fandom I'm getting real tired of getting a notification that there's a new post in the character tag only to see it's another post calling that character a slut/whore/bitch.

I mean, why do (general) you need to tag a post like that? You're clearly not looking for a thoughtful discussion of this character's flaws or a dialogue about the writing or whatever. And is it really that important to you to organize all the times you called the character a slut under one neat link on your blog? /2cents

"You're clearly not looking for a thoughtful discussion of this character's flaws or a dialogue about the writing or whatever."

Why would you assume this?

I'm not gonna lie, as someone who is a huge fan of a character that is loathed and regularly gets torn to pieces by fandom (Anakin Skywalker if you're wondering) I just find that people use "don't tag your hate" as an excuse to silence dissenting opinions.

If I were tagging it with say "Tony Stark love" or a positive tag, I'd completely agree with you. But why is the general tag reserved for only positive comments?

You think that someone posting "tony stark sucks!!!!" and nothing else is looking for thoughtful discussion?

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(Anonymous) - 2015-04-26 21:51 (UTC) - Expand

Why would you assume this?

I assume that because I've seen enough arguments that started with someone responding to one of those posts. Usually it goes like this:

A: "Char is such a bitch. I wish she would die already."
B: *in an offended tone* "Why do you think that?"
A: "Numbered list of things Char has done wrong; and also why are you responding to my post. Free speech etc."
B: "Numbered counter-arguments; and also free speech doesn't mean you're not wrong, because you are, personal insult."
*rapid descent into more personal insults that somehow ends with both parties thinking they're being the reasonable one*

I don't think the general tag should be reserved for positive comments only. There's a middle ground between uncritical love ("This character is perfect and can do no wrong") and hate ("She's a slut and needs to die.") I actually think you could have a very interesting discussion about how one character I often see referred to as a slut seems to view sex as a currency. I just really don't think that someone who calls her a slut and wishes for her death is looking to have that discussion.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-04-26 21:54 (UTC) - Expand

DA. I feel like people like that are the ones who aren't going to care if you like the character or not, and you're better off blocking the individual.

Like some people really don't care and will do things to purposely antagonize, so it's better to not blame the whole fandom for it.

I still don't like the "get rid of haters" attitude because I find more often it's directed at ANYONE with any sort of negative opinion, but I understand how liking something unpopular can get exhausting, I've had that issue myself but I just tend to ignore it.

Because Tumblr literally won't let you scroll past something without reading it?

Because Tony Stark is a real person and would be sad to find your rant when he reads his own tag?

I don't understand the "just scroll" excuse. How do you know what the post is going to say until you read it? Most people don't put "Warning: Tony Stark Hate" at the top of their hate posts.

DA. I think part of the "just scroll" thing is that once you determine something is hate, you can stop reading and scroll on. It's easier to forget something if you actively try to ignore it then if you engage with that person.

Also some people do put warnings up, I do in my fandom because I know people have been particularly sensitive about rants so I don't want to deal with anyone who says I don't warn for it (I still put my stuff in the regular tags, but I also tag for the critique aspect of it.)

Most people don't put "Warning: Tony Stark Hate" (or whatever) at the top of their hate posts because:

a) Most people (at least in the spaces I was in back when I was on Tumblr on a regular basis) were posting criticism, not hate. Though of course it may be perceived as such by a character's stans.

b) The few trolls who were posting actual hate were doing it to piss people off, so why would they warn?

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c) "Tony Stark Hate" isn't something, like non-con or character death, that's a widely recognized trigger that needs to be warned for.

He's totally real.

I think it's just because people browse the character tags for all of Tumblr

though I still agree with you tbh

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