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⌈ Secret Post #3246 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

To put it rather crudely: you can also like sausage and not want to see how it's put together.

[(Anonymous)]

Just accept that you're not as pro-choice as you thought you were. There's not really anything you can do to change your internal reaction, but you can at least control how you treat women who have had or are going to have an abortion. Just don't turn into one of those judgemental people.

[(Anonymous)]

You can believe women deserve to make their own choice, while also being uncomfortable with that possible choice.

There's nothing wrong with that (as long as you don't judge women who took that choice obvs).

You can still be pro-choice have it make you uncomfortable.

[(Anonymous)]

You can be pro-choice and never want to get an abortion. The only thing pro-choice means is that you're for abortion being an option for people who want or need it.

[(Anonymous)]

No need to feel bad, OP. I'm pro-getting your prostrate checked regularly, but I don't want to see the inside of a random guy's butthole. It's fine.

[(Anonymous)]

Despite what both hardcore anti-choicers and edgy pro-choicers think, it's completely natural not to like abortion even when you support it.

[(Anonymous)]

as long as you're not an asshole who wants to make medical decisions for all women, you're pro-choice, doesn't matter how you feel about the procedure. I think heart surgery is a great and wonderful thing for those who need it, doesn't mean I want to see that either.

[(Anonymous)]

Haven't seen this show/episode (though I've certainly heard about the controversy surrounding it!), but I don't think that's necessarily a surprising reaction. One can be pro-choice and still find the actual idea of having an abortion sad or upsetting. Even if most women wind up not regretting the decision itself (which appears to be the case based on research)...well, given the circumstances and reasons that often lead to women having abortions, that can still make the idea a sad and upsetting thing in a lot of ways, too.

And I don't know if Olivia dealt with this at all, but if you're going to a clinic and getting shouted at and insulted by protesters as you make your way inside, that doesn't exactly add to the good feelings, either. Plus, it's like any other medical procedure-some people can handle seeing those play out better than others (mind, I'm guessing this show didn't go into graphic detail, but still, just the knowing can make one squeamish all the same).

[(Anonymous)]

I am also pro-choice and find abortions deeply unsettling. Really everything bodily-related to pregnancy bothers me on some level. But I like having the options.

[(Anonymous)]

You don't have to change. It's not wrong to feel the way you do. Nor is it wrong for people who feel a more liberal about abortion to feel the way they do. I think you're trying to politicize your feelings and use them as a value judgment on yourself, and that's not good.

[(Anonymous)]

it's okay OP, medical procedures just are rather gross and upsetting. Surgery is amazing but i can't watch videos of it without feeling woozy.
i think sometimes our brains can know one thing but we still get a gut instinct "oh no!" feeling about things sometimes.

[kallanda_lee]

I think there's a difference between how we judge thing rationally and how we feel about them?

I've been pro-choice as log as I remember. But when I had a pregnancy scare in college I a) knew I'd have abortion if it came to it but b) also knew that it would haunt me forever on some level, because I'd always have wondered what our kid would have been like..

Fortunately it was a false alarm.

I was also sort of taken back when I found out my mom had an abortion before me. Rationally I completely support it, but there's an emotional reaction to it you don't quite control.

I think it's okay to have strong feeling about it either way, as long as you don't assume all women feel the same, or that how you feel should even be a factor in discussing the legality of abortions.

[esteefee]

This is why I wrote an mpreg abortion fic: because it seems to me someone who has an abortion is rarely depicted as having profoundly painful feelings about it, even though they know it's absolutely the right choice for them.

[dinogrrl]

Like everyone else has said: disliking abortion doesn't make you any less pro-choice.

[(Anonymous)]

I am pro-choice and find it extremely relieving and soothing when a film character goes through with an abortion. Even watching the scene itself, I just think, "Oh thank god, she's actually going to go through with it," and I feel so much lighter and happier for having seen it and knowing for sure that the pregnancy is not going to progress. Those are my own feelings about pregnancy coming through.

I don't judge you at all for not feeling the same way. Lots of people are uncomfortable with seeing invasive surgeries on TV, and depending on your perspective abortion can seem very invasive. Plus, we've been flooded with so much false information (propaganda, really) about how inherently awful and traumatic abortion is, that for some people it almost becomes a self-fulfilling reality. Plus, if you're someone who really loves being pregnant, or really wants to get pregnant, then it makes sense that your own personal feelings of not wanting an abortion might color how you respond to the sight of a character you like/identify with getting an abortion.

As long as you still support women's rights to choose, and as long as you don't act squeamish or judgmental around women if they happen to mention that they've had an abortion, then it's all fine.

[likeadeuce]

Did the episode show an abortion in graphic detail? I'm not sure what the objection is.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you still think someone should have the right to get an abortion if they feel they need one? If so, there's no need to change anything. You're good. You don't have to feel comfortable watching the procedure in order to be properly pro-choice. You don't even have to feel comfortable discussing it in detail. Medical procedures are personal and private, and squick some people out. That's okay. As long as you're not making political arguments based on "I think it's icky", you're golden.

[(Anonymous)]

I legit haven't logged on in 2 years but I have now just to tell you:it's ok to have complicated feelings about abortion. Lean into it.

[(Anonymous)]

I legit haven't logged on in 2 years but I have now just to tell you: it's ok to have complicated feelings about abortion. Lean into it.

[caerbannog]

Anon, I don't think anyone enjoys having an abortion, let alone watching it.

I'm pro-choice. But I don't want to watch abortion videos and probably wouldn't have one myself. Probably. Doesn't affect my pro-choiceness

[(Anonymous)]

how is this a problem? I'm totally pro-choice. Pro-choice does not equal finding the prospect of killing a fetus that might be a baby sometime and may already look and behave extremely cute and likeable the best thing to do. (I had an ultrasound in week 14 and realized that if I'd planned to abort, I couldn't have gone through with it after seing my "baby" make little jumps and kick with her tiny would-be feet.)
Abortion does *kill* - if not a completely formed out human.
Abortion *is* often bad for your body.
These are not things to take lightly.
Still, I would not want to live in a society where the right to take control of my own body like that is denied by the law. There are always circumstances when abortion is and should be an option.

[aniketosbriseis]

I'm pro choice too, doesn't mean I'm comfortable about the idea of abortion by itself
and maybe I wouldn't do that if I found myself in the circumstances (but then, you can never know until you find yourself in) but that would and must be my choice and others must have their own choice to make, not mine.

[litalex]

Well, just think about how much worse it'd be for the woman if she has to go to a backdoor place to get it done.

[(Anonymous)]

I know I'm late to the party, but I'll echo what others have said.

I, myself, am pro-choice because I believe abortion is a choice that should be between a woman, her doctor, and her belief system. Every woman should have the choice to make her own decisions.

The fact that I would only abort under very specific circumstances (ie. the child would not survive more than a few hours outside the womb even if carried to full term) doesn't make me any less pro-choice. Or the fact that for me, life begins at conception.

Not every woman feels the same way, and I respect that. I would rather abortion be safe and legal than illegal and therefore much more dangerous.