[ SECRET POST #3258 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3258 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 0100 secrets from Secret Submission Post #466.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure why I read all that when I don't even know the fandom, but in the spirit of inquiry, I'm going to ask if you are sure your side hasn't also engaged in any wanky behaviors. Especially since it is, by your own admission, the larger and more supported faction in the fandom. I don't know this fandom but I have known shipwars... Kataang and H/G fans didn't conduct themselves very well either (smug on canon?) even if the Harmonians and Zutarians had the worst reputation. A war is never one-sided, after all.

On a side note, I'm amused that one of the pairings apparently involves a Rin and a Haru. Reminds me of the Fruits Basket couple. They were so great.

[scrubber]

Well now I'm just sad I can't reread Fruits Basket. :|

[(Anonymous)]

As a multi shipper I have no horse in the race and can tell you that yes, ALL shipping combinations in this fandom have horrible fans
And why the hell does every anime fandom I'm in NOT KNOW OR CARE about not tagging hate? So much wank could be avoided that way! Or I see posts going "I'm feeling confrontational today so I'm posting this in their tag hahaha! *hate ramble hate*" every freaking time I go into the tags (after which I don't go there for weeks).
This fandom feels like a freaking kindergarten and I'm starting to feel really old.

I do agree with OP that the Rinharu side of things has been really bitter for a while (partly for understandable reasons, partly for silly 'my imaginary ship is better than your imaginary ship' silly reasons) and I do have seen more nasty people there than in the other fandoms BUT that can be purely coincidence and there are a lot of nice shippers too... No one can really sit on a high horse there. Not even the rarepair shippers. It's a really weird fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

Could be a problem specific to Tumblr. Back in the days this could have been avoided by trashtalking your NOTPs within the privacy of a locked LJ post, or at least on a ship-centric community. Obviously wank still erupted when people decided to go on the warpath, but still, why do I get the feeling nowadays a lot of people just don't even care what or how they tag their posts? When Steve/Bucky started gaining popularity and usurping Steve/Tony (to my vindictive glee), I was really disappointed to go into the tag and find fellow fans expressing said glee and tagging the posts 'stony'. Then they have the gall to act shocked and offended when they get hate. This is just obvious shit-stirring behavior, why is it hard to understand?

[type_wild]

My only fandom participation is to read fic about neither of these pairings, but hearsay is that the other side is just as nasty, it's just that the RinHaru fen are a tad louder about the bitching for the reasons detailed in the secret.

I personally wonder if so many people seriously thought any of theses pairings would be something more than tongue-in-cheek fanservice.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Oh I'll be the first to admit that the Mako/Haru side has had some epic wankfests too. Nobody comes out of this thing smelling like roses. I think it's just that--and I'm saying this as someone who has kind of detached completely from this series so there's no "smug on canon" stuff going on, especially because there is no canon pairing, simply non-canon pairings that they know generate more money so they throw massive ship-dollars at them--I think the Rin/Haru, Mako/Haru thing kind of went like this, at least from what I saw as someone who straddled both ships for a good long while:

Season 1: Mako/Haru shippers thought their dynamic was really cute, Makoto became the breakout character, created mass hysteria by himself. Rin/Haru shippers had a bit of "smug on canon" going on because the season ended with a dramatic resolution between the two.

Interim: Mako/Haru obviously surpassed Rin/Haru in doujinshi sales, character merch sales, and Mako/Haru pairing merchandise dominated everything. Meanwhile Rin/Haru fans were confident that season 2 would be more of the same and crush whatever upswell of Mako/Haru that had happened.

Season 2: Kyo-Ani recognized how huge Mako/Haru was, and season two ended up pairing Makoto and Haru off neatly with one another, while simultaneously introducing Rin's resident seme boyfriend best friend Sousuke and making it incredibly obvious that the viewer was supposed to ship them.

The ship wars became absolutely unbearable, but the Rin/Haru fans were by far the loudest, and angriest of the bunch. Put it this way: Imagine if...say in the Supernatural fandom, some random side-character came in and busted up Destiel? Rin/Haru went from the fandom juggernaut to barely an afterthought in one season, and from what I gather the new stuff is catering extremely heavily to Mako/Haru with Rin (and Sousuke? I have no idea where they put him after the finale lol) off to the sidelines.

I say this as someone who genuinely loved Rin/Haru: This ship's fandom is some of the worst I've ever seen. The BNFs are horrible people. The meta is hilariously cringe-worthy at this point. I honestly wish it weren't that way though, because I could be a multishipper! But the fandom is just so toxic. I saw immediately how my modest group of tumblr followers turned on me when my feelings changed about Rin/Haru and Kyo Ani got me sucking at the teat of their cash cow, it's like I was personally insulting them by admitting I still really enjoyed Rin/Haru, but found Mako/Haru fit my general personality and shipping dynamic better.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Well, it's hard for me to comment on these going-ons without knowing jack the characters and fandom :) Since you made a reference to Supernatural... wasn't Castiel that exact random character who came in and screwed up the then-juggernaut, Wincest? I don't think that wank has entirely died down, even to this day, lol.

I guess I don't really understand the need to be 'more canon' than your rival pair when in fact neither of you is canon. If I had to rely on creators pandering to me in order to ship things, I'd never get anywhere.

Actually, now that we're talking about this, I suddenly recall this lolarious-looking secret posted earlier this year. It's the first one in this post: https://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1271777.html?thread=858227425. In the thread lots of people were speculating that this was about Free, so... which would you say is which pairing in this? Is this salty OP one of yours or one of theirs? ;)

OP again

[(Anonymous)]

Ergghhh I' just online real quick but RE that secret: I dunno, it definitely sounds like Free!, but for the life of me I can't figure out who it could be about. I would say the secret maker is a Rin/Haru shipper who is unhappy about Sou/Rin, but...Rin/Haru isn't exactly a "fluffy" ship?? I dunno.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I feel though that Rin/Haru shippers wouldn't have turned nearly as shirty if the Mako/Haru shippers hadn't been so obnoxiously smug about their ship being ~totally canon~.

I don't have a horse in this race because I got bored of the show, but I distinctly remember the Mako/Haru side of the fandom being massively smug assholes about their faux-Canon ship right into the Rin/Haru sides faces (and tags).
Rin/Haru fans getting pissed about that was a pretty predictable reaction (and makes up a huge part of the reason why they are so damn salty).

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

don't forget, the mako/haru side started calling rin/haru abusive halfway through the first season and regularly posted shit in the #rinharu tag...

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

OH GOD I REMEMBER THIS.

Seriously, RIn/Haru fans were never as bad to Makoto. At worst, they thought he was boring. Mako/Haru fans were constantly calling Rin a "horrible abuser."

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Huh. I definitely remember a huge wank fest about Rinharu shippers saying Makoto was abusive and manipulative towards Haru because of those interview quotes about Haru always going along with what Makoto wants or something like that. Granted, that was season1-ish, but it definitely existed.
Seriously, both this fandoms are pretty equal when it comes to awfulness.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I think you could be confused with co-dependent? Either way, Rin and abuse comes up a lot more often than that, an opinion peddled by some BNFs and that's partly why RinHaru people are aggravated and defensive on a regular basis.

Anyway, trying to get the last word is a bad habit and I should stop. Both sides are bad and listing off faults will just lead people to one-up each other and that can go on all day. Though I hope that OP can see why some Rinharu fans might look more angry most of the time.

But honestly, isn't SouRin a fairly big ship? How come they never seem to come up when Rin hate comes up? I was into that for a while but maybe I didn't look around enough.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

According to tumblr, literally every character in Free! is abusive.

Haru doesn't communicate well? He's abusive.
Makoto is a bit smothering? Abusive.
Nagisa is enthusiastic? Abusive and manipulative.
Rin does rival things like the rival of a sports anime is meant to? Abusive.
Rei... actually I haven't seen him called abusive, proof that Rei is the best
Nitori idolizes Rin? He's a STALKER and UNHINGED and ABUSIVE
Momotaro captured a bug? Abusive to animals

etc

Re: OP

[herongale]

Oh god, I literally laughed out loud at this. Good job omg, and thank you.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

He was a lot better in Season 2, but in Season 1 he... was borderline abusive at times, especially when he was physically assaulting Haru.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

pls, stop

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

go back to tumblr

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with this statement. I've been in this fandom since the original preview trailer, and I am very much not a BNF (barely 100 tumblr followers or so). I'm a self-proclaimed multishipper, with almost equal preference for basically all the ships, even the more obscure ones... (What can I say, this show is extremely shippable!) BUT I consider MakoHaru to be my OTP for Free! in general since the very start. I just like the "childhood friends turned lovers" trope. I try to stay comfortably away from all the heat going down in the fandom as much as possible. I prefer a "ship and let ship" attitude and try to surround myself with fellow multishippers as much as possible. I just reblog stuff and have fun reading fics....

But, even I can't help but notice the massive explosions that have been happening from time to time. And it's been especially prevalent most recently, surround first the previews, and now the release of the new Starting Days movie.

Recently there have been several fandom events surrounding a couple of the main ships, MakoHaru, RinHaru, and SouHaru. There have been huge scheduling conflicts over these events, despite - from what I've seen - RinHarus having the first announcements. It seemed like they were being deliberately encroached on, even though the overlap of fans between these ships is not that big and it probably didn't bother many people - it was still pretty rude imo.

And then there was the issue with that one event in the RinHaru fandom, I think it was called Feel My Heart, or something? Like the soundtrack track? And it might not be over yet, IIRC? It was like a "hey let's put together a scrapbook and get some postcards to the creators of the show" drive, and from what I saw they were trying to make it as non-shippy as possible? Just cute things to say "thanks" to the staff, and focusing on the characters and their shared story, the gist I got from it anyway. But shortly after that I saw there was an event in the MakoHaru fandom, which did a similar thing, but for Makoto's birthday? I can't help but question the timing of that event, since it was announced like two weeks after the RinHarus officially started their campaign. Anyway, they put together a box of fanart and messages for Makoto - as in the character, not the people behind it - and sent it in, after having a GoFundMe campaign that demanded something like 200$ to even ship the package??? What the hell costs that much...? And even as an avid MakoHaru shipper myself, I have to say - IT WAS EMBARRASSING and I could NOT bring myself to participate in any shape or form... When a fandom claims it's "for Makoto's birthday", and then decorates the package to the creators of the show with MakoHaru imagery, and includes messages from fans along the lines of, and this is an almost direct quote: "Makoto can come to Canada with Haru and get married! It's legal here!"... I simply have to wonder about the motives and the point of the event, not to mention question the sanity of those people, because I don't think they understand how extremely uncomfortable something like that must sound in Japan... "Mortifying" and "embarrassing" don't begin to cover it. Oh and I don't even want to get into the way they packed that whole box, and made a whole freaking stack of literal confetti trash with those messages. It's like they were aiming to inconvenience the Free! staff as much as possible?... Why?...
But, I got derailed from my original thought, sorry.
What happened next was the RinHarus put up a map where the fans could add their locations. Few days later? MakoHarus do the exact same thing, but ask people to send in messages instead. ...Coincidence? I can't help but doubt it :/

And now the whole Starting Days movie thing...
Now, I really love MakoHaru, their bond is amazing and I'm happy that they're getting a lot of new material... but the things the MH shippers been doing in the RinHaru tags, and on twitter recently? Are just shitty.
I've seen instances of people going after the twitter posters who were disappointed with the movie - not just because of the supposed "lack of RinHaru" - which let's face it, they must have known about and expected, because Rin is in Australia during the novel - but because the movie twisted and mutilated the original material. They were getting heckled and laughed at, total ridicule, because apparently being a RinHaru shipper means that you can't objectively see when a movie is a very bland and very UNfaithful adaptation to an interesting novel. (Which is exactly what it is - weak, bland, cookie-cutter "let's all be friends" plot, and any drama is resolved in 1 minute of screentime.)
And the stuff in the RH tags on tumblr is starting to get a bit awful too. MH shippers coming in and asking things like "So how does it feel to ship a shitty ship, while OUR ship has been happily sailing along for months now?" - leaving aside the fact that this supposed ship involves TWELVE YEAR OLD BOYS. ...And I don't want to get into the whole twitter explosion of "bby!Makoto is such a SINnamon bun" and "Naughtily sinning at 12 already!!"... It's gross and absolutely uncalled for, and I've been actively recoiling from even mentioning anything about MH on my own twitter, because I don't want to be associated with... that.
Sorry, I got completely off track. Just got a lot on my chest...

TL;DR I do think my main fandom, MakoHaru, are the instigators for a lot of the wars, and I seriously can't blame the avid RinHaru shippers for trying to defend themselves :/ I would too, if someone came into my yard and shit on my lawn, just to upset me. Which is exactly what they're doing...

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

a lot of this is incorrect and all you have to do is google to find out just fyi to anyone reading this wall of text

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a MakoHaru shipper and I never go into their tag, because of two reasons:

1.) Asshole Rinharu shippers starting wank
2.) Asshole MakoHaru shippers starting wank

Which (and the general art thievery) also makes it hard to find decent people to follow (Uh, recs?).

I had to snort at your description about Sousuke. They really did make it obvious we were supposed to ship him with Rin and I fell for it hook, line and sinker and I have no regrets (plus, their fandom is not that wanky, even if there are ofc bad apples too - most people are just crying about sad scenes all the time XD).

So basically I love my ships, but hate the fandoms. Also there are barely any decent fic (at least I'll always have awesome fanarts and doujis).

Am kind of mad at myself that I can't get into ReiGisa actually (really not my cup of tea), because they're so nicely wank-free 99% of the time. Not having any serious rival ships helps with the fandom experience.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, there is nasty shit coming form both sides. Of course both of them think they are the victim and that they haven't done anything wrong.

Their ship war was the cancer that ruined fandom for lots of people and it's shippers on both sides fault.

[(Anonymous)]

I started as MakoHaru in s1 and viewed RinHaru shippers as aggressive. Then I started shipping RinHaru thanks to some side materials and found a lot of sweethearts in that side and noticed they were getting some shit from MakoHaru. So I can safely say both sides have shit stirrers amongst them.

The thing is that since MakoHaru is more popular in Japan it gets a lot more attention merch-wise and also with s2 and the movie, which leaves RinHaru shippers feeling neglected and they are lashing out. Of course there are some MakoHaru relishing in this and refusing to take the high-road.

Right now I am disgusted with both sides and I'm glad I don't care as much about this fandom as I would have a year ago.

[(Anonymous)]

RinHaru gets tons of merch too, they have no reason to be lashing out because of this.

[caerbannog]

I keep reading H/G as Hermoine/Ginny even though I know betterrrr