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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-02-18 06:42 pm

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⌈ Secret Post #3333 ⌋

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Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-18 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I know people who are not those things, and yet... guess who they're voting for? Or were last time I asked, they're Catholic so the Pope thing may have ended that.

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-18 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I know people who are not those things, and yet

Then you probably don't know them as well as you think you do.

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-18 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Most people are racist classiest xenophobes, in some way or on some level.

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-18 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
They're ignorant. Really. They think because Trump is a successful businessman, he'll be able to "fix the economy", and he's successfully marketed himself as being more authentic than the other sleazy "politicians" (man has politician become a "bad word" this election!)

I'm really not sure what else Trump is running on his platform. I think he's hilarious, but only because I am still convinced he's just a troll to get everyone to vote Democrat. He's whack, he's offensive, but he isn't Religious Right and he flat out said he could literally shoot someone in the street and not lose a single voter. It's insane and I just cannot believe he's actually serious about this (especially since he apparently used to be Democrat and is chums with the Clintons).
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Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

[personal profile] blitzwing 2016-02-19 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
Really. They think because Trump is a successful businessman, he'll be able to "fix the economy"

I encountered this dumb belief from a vaguely-liberal person I was trying to encourage to register to vote.

When I heard that they were planning on voting for Trump because "he's a businessman" I was like okay, some people are better off staying home this November.

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-19 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Trumps platform is: 1) everything is all fucked up (which everyone instinctively feels is correct) 2) he is great and powerful and effective and am just going to do things right. And that's it, but those two things are a very appealing pitch.

And I honestly think he's a very dangerous person at the end of the day. I mean he is very good at narrative and messaging and rhetoric. And his only disadvantage is the instinctive feeling people have that he's a piece of shit. But... How far does that really go with people, really? I just worry about how flimsy that kind of good will is in the voter base.

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-19 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
"They think because Trump is a successful businessman, he'll be able to "fix the economy"."

Despite economy and finance not being the same thing.
I.e. you're right, they're ignorant.

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-18 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Because they ignore those parts of him and focus on the parts they like. Cognitive dissonance.
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Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

[personal profile] blitzwing 2016-02-18 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I've seen quite a few leftists and others saying they'll vote for him, because they think he will hasten the collapse of the current political system.
Edited 2016-02-18 23:57 (UTC)

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-18 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a very stupid and morally wrong view and I hope you don't share it.
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Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

[personal profile] morieris 2016-02-19 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
...How?

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-19 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Uhg. The problem with that strategy is that a lot of people suffer leading up to, during, and in the aftermath of such a collapse. I don't want to be ground under a boot heel while waiting for everyone to... up and start a revolution, I guess. I'm also on the far side of 35 and don't have a decade or two to wait for everything to get worked out without it impacting the prime of my working years.

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-19 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
Boy, that would be fuckstupid. Are those leftists you've cited fucking mindbogglingly stupid?

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-19 10:10 am (UTC)(link)
I'll vote for him to help hasten the end of the Democrat party's love for HRC. I hate her more than I fear him, or Cruz.

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-18 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
They hate what the RNC has become more than they hate racism.

They want to shake up the Republican establishment by picking the one outsider that has a good chance of winning.

They think Trump's more ridiculous racist proposals have no chance of being approved of Congress or the public, rendering them moot.
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Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

[personal profile] nonnymouscawitz 2016-02-19 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
My mom's boyfriend is insistent that, sure, Trump may be all of those things, but they are not part of his platform, his platform is on economic issues and we need to fix those things before we deal with social issues.

His friends include transwomen and various shades of queer people. He has never (in front of me) said anything racist, classist, or homophobic. I have no idea why he thinks that 'not part of his platform' (Even though they totally are) means 'Will never ever deal with these issues in the entire four years he will be in office and also who cares if he does because the country needs money'
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Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

[personal profile] iceyred 2016-02-19 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
Idk, people I thought would never in a million years go for that asshole are saying they'll vote for him, and people I would have pegged as the types to go to his events are going 'hell no.' It's a strange situation. Every person I know who could be tabbed as 'establishment' (local politicians, but respected in their sphere) is running around like a headless chicken trying to rally the troops against him, all without stepping on anybody's toes.

Me, I'm voting for Kasich tomorrow. If Trump gets the nomination, I'm gonna write-in my vote, pick up some beer, ammo, and kitty chow, and the cat and I are heading out west. When the nation descends into lawless chaos, I'll become a bounty hunter or something.

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-19 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
I'm surprised at your opposition, seeing how widely republicans have embraced him. This is just republicans being republicans same as they've always been.
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Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

[personal profile] nonnymouscawitz 2016-02-19 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
My family's all LibDems, but my grandfather watches all the coverage and he says that Kasich is actually the sanest of the Republican candidates. You guys seriously have a bad lot this time around. I rarely agree with Republican candidates but this year seems to be particularly ridiculous. I have yet to hear a single good thing about either Trump or Cruz.
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Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

[personal profile] ypsilon42 2016-02-19 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
I think people are very disillusioned with the current system and its politicians and are therefore looking for someone they think of a radically different.

Also, as others have pointed out, they ignore those parts of his message.
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Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

[personal profile] ill_omened 2016-02-19 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
For the banter.

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-19 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't read the rest of this thread but I have feelings about this.

I think a big part of it is just this idea of 'I'm saying what every other politician is scared to say! I'm listening to you!' rhetoric is a BIG part of it. I don't live in the US but in my country we have our own mini-Trump, who's whole career has been based off the same racist, xenophobic, classist shit under the guise of 'The career politicians will tell you you're racist but /I/ don't think you are,'

People see something being represented badly by right-wing media, which makes them thing 'why aren't politicians do anything about this?' and people tell them their racist for falling for the media that is pumping billions of dollars into getting people to fall for that shit, and if one person tells you you're racist and one says you're not, you're gonna go for the second one.

I think that paragraph comes off like I'm excusing this, and I'm definitely not, fuck Donald Trump, but the fact that all a politican had to do was convince a part of the populace that they're the only one listening, and politics as a whole is so out of touch with the layman that that WORKS, makes me pretty angry.

This makes no sense but it's 3am and I'm writing my dissertation and high on coffee.

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-19 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, gotta go with the "you don't know them as well as you think you do" camp here. Just because they're not white pointy hood wearing blowhards doesn't mean they don't find Trump's views sympathetic. That's very common. MOST people wouldn't dream of torching a black family's house or punching a poor person in the face. They'll simply support politicians and laws that do damage from a detached position, so it feels all clinically neat and tidy rather than personal. It's the difference between stabbing someone with a knife in your hand and taking out a target via drone.

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-19 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
Stupid people.

Re: Why would anyone not a racist, classist xenophobe vote for Donald Trump?

(Anonymous) 2016-02-19 05:20 am (UTC)(link)
Because there's a good chance that Trump isn't actually racist, classist, or a xenophobe and is instead just stirring shit. (Note: I don't like Trump, but he's been around forever and has largely been very liberal in the past.)

Trump is exceptionally good at playing the media like chumps and always has been, and one of the surefire ways to keep them talking (while also solidifying his position as a "washington outsider" who's "keeping it real") is by saying outrageous things that he knows will keep the media coverage going. Note that all of the crazy horrible shit he's said has been mostly brief one-off comments and twitter remarks.

Plus I think a lot of them don't really care what he personally believes, just so long as the policies he's endorsing sound good to them and he seems like the kind of guy who'll get those things passed. He's sort of the opposite of Sanders, who's supporters are pushing for him for moral reasons even though there's near 0% chance of any of Bernie's proposals going through.

There's also the factor of him being the first GOP candidate in a long time that isn't some sort of Christian fundamentalist social conservative. That's probably winning him a lot of fans with people who lean more conservative but have been turned off by the GOP's desperate push to inject more Christianity into Washington.