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TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

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Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

Do you believe the 40% of rapes are committed by women statistic?

What about the one in three women are rape survivors statistic?

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

No

Yes

Re: TW Rape

[kallanda_lee]

I find both very high estimates,instinctively - the second one especially so. Unless you have a very, very broad definition of the word - I just can't see the 1 in 3 statistics.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

No and probably.

I was going to say no on the second, too, because 1 in 3 is a number that sounds like A LOT, but it's really the same as 33 out of 100. And yeah, it's always unacceptable, but 1 in 3 seems like an agenda statement compared to saying 33%. And I have little patience for agenda statements.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a guy and think the 40% thing (which, btw, citation needed) is utter bullshit MRA propaganda if it's a thing at all. I once heard it was less than 5% which feels more accurate to me.

Also, literally every woman I know has been raped or had a rape-like experience, so from my experience I would say 1 in three is far too low a figure. Likely because of under reporting.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't heard the first one, but the second one is bull-- it so wildly stretches the definition of rape that I can't take it seriously.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

First one a bit high. The second one is total bullshit.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe. And no.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

Given that only 9% of rape victims are male, and that 1 in 67 men will ever experience any form of sexual violation, I don't see how your numbers can work.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

Since women rapists are so insanely underreported and often guys who are raped by women don't even recognize it as rape, I can see it being much higher than we think. Especially things like taking advantage of drunk/unconscious/sleeping guys, or underage guys. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if it's 40% but I also have no idea where someone would get that statistic since we don't have that much data at all.

One in three seems kind of high to me. I'd believe been sexually harassed or assaulted but raped? I don't quite buy that.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

To be absolutely honest, I'm not familiar enough with these statistics to tell you.

What is the frame of reference for these numbers? Women worldwide? Women in a certain country? By which country's laws are we defining rape?

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

I doubt that either one would be true in any western country, unless the definition of rape is really lax.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a matter of believing -both numbers have been -afaik-widely disproven. Especially the second one was from a study that was just plain bullshit and was misinterpreted on top of everything so yeah, it's nonsense.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

No. Much less. women just aren't typically inclined to that type of violence. I could maybe by 40% of domestic abusers are women, but that still seems a bit high.

Yes. This has been proved, so it's not even a case of belief. It's a fact. like gravity.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

Where the hell are you getting that stupid 1/3 statistic? It is wrong wherever you got it from.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

I'm assuming both of these are US statistics, and being that I'm not from the US, my view is going to be skewed.

I could believe it, being that rapes committed by women will be much less reported due to societal expectations, and rape reporting is incredibly low anyway.

1/3 for me seems very high. I've heard 1/5, and 1/5 sexual assualt survivors seems like a more likely statistic. But again, sexual assault has a low reporting rate so maybe in reality it's 1/3. I just don't know.

Again, I'm not from the US, so maybe if I lived there I would think differently.

Re: TW Rape

[herpymcderp]

I don't believe any statistic concerning rape. There is simply too much underreporting to get any real idea of frequency and prevalence.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

-No, there is no basis for it being that high.

-Isn't it generally stated to be "1 in 3 women are survivors of sexual assault"? Which is a broader definition than rape alone. Although yes, many more people than you'd think have survived rape.

A teacher at my HS was going through the horrible process of getting her marriage annulled by the Catholic church because her husband repeatedly raped her for years. And as a serious practicing Catholic, she couldn't just get a divorce to end the marriage.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

For the first one, if we're counting sexual situations in which alcohol was involved and consent was dubious, then yes, I can see it - if it's considered rape when a guy has sex with a drunk girl, then it's rape when a girl has sex with a drunk guy too.

Re: TW Rape

[sparrow_lately]

I think any statistics to do with rape are tricky, because:
1) it's an under-reported crime, and is often only reported anecdotally (i.e., tell loved ones but maybe never law enforcement or other official sources) or long after the fact
2) its precise definition, particularly when it comes to anything other than, to be crude, violent or semi-violent PIV rape, is difficult to nail down, which means two people asking the exact same 100 individuals could come away with very difficult statistics, depending on what they were looking for
3) statistics about rape are almost always presented with an agenda


All that said, I think both estimates sound high, but your definitions and parameters matter. I do think we live in a culture that constantly, casually, and often unconsciously sexualizes unwilling/not explicitly willing participants and that many people, of any gender, don't quite learn how to communicate about sex with partners/potential partners when they're young. I think the assumption that young people are always having sex leads to too few "no"s, but that likewise does not a rapist make. I think women are taught to always see male attention as at the very least flattering, and men probably conversely taught that women always feel that way.

TL;DR: it's insanely complicated, but at a guess I'd say the first stat sounds quite high and the second a little less alarmingly high but still high

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

No. I think that women raping men is underreported, but I can't see it being close to being that high of a number.

This one depends on what exactly is being measured. If it is a worldwide study of whether a woman has been raped at any point in her life, maybe, as that would include several wars and despotic regimes. Even then, I'd think that was likely a bit high. If we're talking just in the US, I definitely think that number is too high.

Re: TW Rape

[dethtoll]

The first one is almost certainly bullshit fabricated by the manosphere/alt-right cuckspiracy theorists and I don't buy it at all. Even if you factor in underreporting -- and let's be fair, a lot of male rape victims don't report -- I'm still not certain it'd be higher than maybe 10%.

The second one seems a little high to me, but if it was true -- or even higher -- I wouldn't be surprised. Definitely depends on what metric you're using though.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

No. I know women rape, but I don't believe the 40% statistic.

Yes to 1 in 3. I was sexually abused as a child by my friend's father (and yes my friend was also abused) and I'm sure I wasn't his only victim. My friend went through friends at an alarming rate and I can guess why.
Anyway, since then I was preyed on multiple times by different men. If I hadn't already been a victim and recognized the signs and knew what to avoid, I'm sure things would have taken a turn for the worse.

None of my family knows. Hell, I'm pretty sure my parents never even suspected anything.
I have several friends, but only 2 who know about my past. I've long suspected that one of them was also abused as a child, but I've never tried to pry because it's their business. I've come across several others who I suspect are abuse survivors - not necessarily as a child, but by the time they went through puberty (some of them have told me and confirmed my suspicions). Mostly female.
It's so easy to pretend this kinda thing doesn't happen in a civilized society if you don't know what to look for.
Remember Becky in 6th grade who went out with that cool 16-year-old? Guess what, he was 23!
(And yeah, I consider that rape, even if the girl gives her "consent".)

I work with children now and I won't go into details, but yeah, in my experience, 1 in 3 seems pretty accurate.

Re: TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

Well I think I'd have to read this CDC report before having an opinion on the first one.

The second sounds crazy high to me based on the women I know. But if I consider how my social circle and politics would affect that... how even they have stories that I am quite certain they do not consider rape but if you asked the right questions in a survey might get categorized that way... And particularly how many of my older female relatives are unquestionably survivors and that's just the ones I know about. I guess I wouldn't argue too hard about it.

I do think it's unhelpful to categorize women as survivors if they don't agree...