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⌈ Secret Post #3395 ⌋

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[fscom]

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Transcript by OP

[fscom]

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Re: Transcript by OP

[fscom]

I don’t understand the “Ruined my childhood”/”Ruined forever” attitude and I just can’t sympathize with it. I’ve felt disappointed when a new version or installment of something isn’t good or makes changes I don’t like, but it never seems to have that much impact on me in the long run, no matter what it is.

Part of it might be that so many of my biggest fandoms (Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who, Batman, Sherlock Holmes) pre-date me, have been long-running, and have had so much output over the years that it’s hard to take it personally and get really angry about any one piece of output because I know this was someone else's childhood before I was even born and there is already so much to choose from and I can always just wait 5 minutes and there’ll be something new from one of them. Maybe I just don’t know how to feel differently about smaller franchises.

Ghostbusters *WAS* my childhood for several years. I practically wore out the tape re-watching it over and over. The label was all grimy from being handled so often. The sequel is the first time I can remember anticipating a yet-to-be-released movie and getting excited for it and making sure I got my butt to the theater somehow. Nevertheless, I’m excited for the new movie and I know that if I wind up not liking it, I will be fine and I will still love Ghostbusters.

(I get the feeling people who insist this movie will be bad are *hoping* that will be the case simply so they can maintain that any kind of reboot or adaptation of their childhood favorites is wrong.)

I can’t say this kind of stuff out loud. I’ll just get a lecture from some fanboy about how wrong I am and how I clearly didn’t love [insert thing here] all that much or relate to it in the “right” way if I’m not wailing over how my childhood was RUINED FOREVER. Whatever. No sympathy.

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure it's because most remakes are just fucking awful in terms of quality and lazily done (as if someone said, "Oh, it's based on X story that everyone loves, why do we have to try at all?"), so plenty of people don't have faith when another one is announced. Especially after all the Michael Bay trainwrecks of the last decade or so.

And before someone jumps on this and whines about how I'm a hater, I said MOST, not all.

[morieris]

I don't understand people who feel so passionately against remakes on a "Well, the original!" standpoint. It isn't going anywhere.

"I wish Hollywood encouraged new ideas on a big scale", sure, but I'm going to watch every remake this year because they look cool on top of whatever original story strikes my fancy.

[(Anonymous)]

I get annoyed at the lack of creativity, for one thing. I get why they do it - existing intellectual properties means that a lot of the public awareness shovelwork is already done, and you know in advance that the themes and stories resonate with people. But for that reason, it also seems a bit lazy. And there's also a real sense of trying to profit off an existing legacy that someone else made, which seems a bit callous.

I tend to just ignore remakes, but to be honest, the whole Hollywood remake culture irks me, because it just seems intellectually lazy, and profiting off goodwill you didn't create.

[ozaline]

Yeah I pretty much feel the same way as you.

I do get annoyed at some new adaptations of works I love from time to time... but it doesn't diminish the original work (which in Ghostbuster's case I don't think aged well; I like the cartoon more, but that's another matter).

But several of my fandoms are 80 or 50 years older than me, so I know what you're saying there.

[kallanda_lee]

I don't get it either. The original thing is still there. You can still love it and watch it.

[(Anonymous)]

I understand getting cynical about remakes because they're so often so...samey? In how they get "updated"? Usually, especially for remakes of some sleeper hit or cult classic, they strip everything quirky or unique or offbeat about a movie and make it more generic and pandering to current audiences in a way that makes the remake into the type of movie that gets far more badly dated than the original, far more quickly.

But yeah, I don't understand how this "ruins" the original. If anything, lousy remakes often make people appreciate the original a lot more than we did before, IMO.

[esteefee]

That is too often true.

Sometimes I do wish some of my classic favorites would be remastered though, sound and picture. Like that project of love the geeks did with the original Star Wars to make it look like the theatrical version did in the theater, all bold and colorful again but minus Lucas' later bullcrap additions.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand that argument, either. I can understand people being wary of adaptations or remakes because they may not be able to fully capture what made the original so great, or may miss the point of what made the original so special/unique/interesting.

But the sorts of cries you mention, or even worse, the "My childhood has been raped!" sorts of comments...yeah. WAY too overdramatic. If an adaptation/remake DOES happen to negatively affect one's view of something they loved as a child, I'm sorry about that...but that's a personal issue for them to deal with, and nothing more.

[(Anonymous)]

I think some things *do* ruin the childhood version... but only in that it becomes the more popular known version and causes the fandom and general knowledge of the older version to be lost. It does suck when you're trying to talk about an old movie or cartoon then everyone is like yeah! the reboot! I loved it! What do you mean, old version?

I do think there's something of a fannish culture loss when people find and like the new version better with no knowledge of the original. Some of them go and watch the previous one but not all do. Compare how the Kirk/Spock fandom or the Cap/Iron Man changed with the Trek reboot and MCU. I could easily see how that ruined a couple of people's fandom experience if they were fans of the former and the flood of new fic and art is all for the reboot, especially so in the Cap/Iron Man section where the comics personalities are very different from the movies.

[nonnymouscawitz]

I just have never understood why Ghostbusters is such a big damn deal. Don't get me wrong, it's an okay film, but I think most people have their nostalgia goggles on way too tight. People act like it's two hours of Bill Murray being slowly castrated on camera, and not just 'an updated take on an okay movie from the 80s.'

But uh, I actually am one of the four people on the planet who... didn't like Ghostbusters. Which is apparently up there with 'Crucifying Jesus Christ' on the 'bad things to admit to' list, judging by my facebook feed.

[morieris]

+1

[philstar22]

I agree with this. The original isn't that good. I don't hate it, but I don't love it. And while I'm not overly excited about the new one, I will go see it. And personally I think it is better for not having Bill Murray in it. I really don't like him or his acting style. He always annoys me in movies.

[blitzwing]

I gotta agree with you. I don't think I've ever felt that way about anything. I just ignore the remakes and sequels if I don't like them.

But I do understand not liking them. I just don't see how it taints the original.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Funny how this happens when I'm doing a stream about that this week (shameless ad: Go to my stream saturday!)

I do think it will suck, but not because I want it to be bad. I'm just usually cynical about remakes till they prove me wrong.

[sparrow_lately]

TBH I've never fully understood this either. I get that frustration of seeing something you love mishandled, but that doesn't ruin the original.

[(Anonymous)]

Ruining childhoods is obviously hyperbole. And I don't see how, generally speaking, reboots should matter since they are usually obviously reboots and don't intend to be carbon copies of the original.

I can understand being frustrated when sequels/prequels affect "canon" in certain series, though. Like, I don't care about Star Wars, but I can understand fans being annoyed if they hated the prequel trilogy and felt it went against the original films.

Like yeah your personal relationship with the series in question in the end will be your personal relationship and no it's never going to be a big deal, it's just entertainment. But I've had series where I've personally left the fandom because I hated years-later added sequels/prequels affected the "canon" of the original and they were impossible to get away from in fan discussions and such.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't get people who bitch about things ruining their childhood. I mean they made The Last Airbender movie and it didn't ruin ATLA for me. I just pretend it doesn't exist.
TDKR didn't ruin Batman for me.
and for most things even if I didn't like most of the adaptation there are at least little bits I can enjoy.

[dethtoll]

I can relate. Watching Thief fandom go in a years-long meltdown over Thief 2014 before the game was even out was pretty fucking weird. Some of them seemed to literally believe not only that the game was specifically being made aa a personal slight to the Thief community, but that it might literally erase all their copies of Thief 1 and 2.

[nightscale]

I can agree with this.

Like there are definitely reboots or remakes that I don't care for or like, but they don't stop the original from existing or stop me from enjoying it.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. For example - was excited about the hobbit movies, did not like the hobbit movies at all, thought they were shit... but I still afore the books and animated film. A remake is a remake, an adaption is an adaption.

[(Anonymous)]

Because you don't get the pavlovian likes and reblogs unless you CRANK THAT SHIT UP TO 11 on twitter and tumblr!

[(Anonymous)]

The attitude baffles me as well. For instance, Disney's Beauty and the Beast was one of my childhood touchstones, and the fact it's going to be remade into a live action film starring Emma Watson of all people makes me physically recoil.

Which is why I'm going to stay away from it and get on with my life. It's not that difficult.

(But let's be real, the outrage over an all-females Ghostbusters is only PARTLY because it's a remake of an older film).