[ SECRET POST #3479 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3479 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Lifetime's UnReal]


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[X-Men movies. Charles/Erik]


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[Andrew Zimmern vs. Anthony Bourdain]


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[Secretary]


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[Stardew Valley]


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[Notre Dame de Paris (French Musical)]


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[Erma]













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Comments

Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

There's an article I want to link but I wanted to put it under a cut so I'm making this thread.

Please for the love of Christ everyone be cool and act right

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

So this has been bouncing around the Internet for a little while and I actually thought it was really interesting and insightful and powerful:

https://medium.com/@jencoates/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not-coming-out-4c2dd1907e42#.l6gk7j3c6

Thoughts?

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know. It's kinda TLDR so I didn't finish it. seems like it's just her experience.

What are your thoughts? Can you point me to key bits you think are of note?

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I read this--I think it's an interesting read, and the criticism of cis women who jump to conclusions and make everything about attacking masculinity is right on point, frankly. While I'm an angry lesbian myself who often takes joy in that kind of thing, it's important to know when that's an acceptable form of humor, when it's a fair criticism of real social problems, and when it's just jumping on a discourse bandwagon, and I think Jen Coates has provided some really thoughtful insight into where those distinctions might lie. She's also given a very personal and really compelling picture "from the inside" of one of the many forms that transness can take, and I appreciate that.

I did worry, as I read the article, that some elements might be taken out of context/taken as universal rather than personal. Even the headline to me seemed a bit out of line with the spirit of the piece, which makes me worry that people will read the headline, assume they understand what the essay says, and incorporate that into their gender politics.

Re: Gender Thread

[feotakahari]

I've had some of the same bullshit thrown at me on Fandom Secrets, so I'm inclined to defend her. On the other hand, I have the feeling this will become a political football for people who hate feminism, like when liberal Muslims who hate conservative Muslims get trotted out by people who hate Islam.

I've already reblogged it and responded to it.

[raspberryrain]

http://raphi-anoesies.tumblr.com/post/147334234581/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not

Wow. That is like–no, that is being in a cult. A cult of the feminine?

What I see here is that some women in the name of feminism have made for themselves a cult of contempt for men. The masculine in the abstract is demonised, and so is the male in the particular. Men are called oppressor, and the language of exclusion and contempt–reminiscent of racism and nationalism–is deployed to split a society in half along sex lines. And among so many “feminists” the male is even considered subhuman.

Maybe all this had value as a joke, once? But it’s not a joke. Taken uncritically and without irony, this is all incredibly counterproductive to the project of a more humane society.

I’ve been guilty at times of pretending women are better than men. But I know that’s nonsense, because I know both women and men too well.

I started calling myself a feminist again a few years ago; I had only stopped a few years before that, I suppose. I don’t care if you use the word or not, really; it means different things to different people, some good, some bad. What’s described above, while its portrayal may be distorted a little by the writer’s perception, sounds to be very definitely a bad version.

I think we’ve hit the point when we have to correct away from “feminism.” “Women’s Liberation” was a relevant idea once, even if it had some flaws in its conceptualisation. But now “feminism” is a name that needs to be unpacked, so we can tell the good (the wish to treat women as full persons) from the bad (the tendency to treat men with abuse). Maybe we’ll have to let it go in favour of “egalitarianism,” and treat all this a joke that’s gone on too long. The very name “feminism” invites the sort of vile sexism described.

What was it Joss Whedon said? “I’m not a genderist,” something like that. Well, maybe I’ve been a genderist, maybe I still am a little bit. I don’t want to be such anymore.

I hope that boys who’ve learned to hate their own masculinity can find a way to be masculine without the toxicity, and then fully themselves; just as I hope girls who’ve learned to hate their own femaleness can find a way to make peace of a kind with being a woman. Here’s to the freedom to be butch women and girlish men–and also, here’s to the freedom to be virile men and feminine women. Here’s to a people that isn’t divided against itself over gender.

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

This is going down as another example of an MtF MRA.

I just don't get it?

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

Then why didn't you make it a thread about the article, instead of calling it "gender thread" like that troll(?) obsessed with starting gender wank does all the time.

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like it's easier for people who aren't interested to ignore and skip over that way. It's cleaner and more concentrated.

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

Just putting this down here: Feminism is not an ideology.

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

Anything ending in "ism" is an ideology.

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

Feminism exists in many forms, one of which is as an ideology.

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

So? Did you have a followup sentence?

Least Feminist Media? Most Feminist Media?

[(Anonymous)]

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

This woman is so overly sensitive to friendly conversation, I don't understand how she lives in this world. And then in the last sentence, I realize she doesn't. Most of her interaction with other people probbaly comes from Tumblr.

http://imgur.com/B7Ikue8

Image from a news story.

Re: Gender Thread

[sparrow_lately]

Good lord she sounds unbearable

Re: Gender Thread

[ariakas]

OH MY GOD SOMEONE OF THE OPPOSITE SEX TALKED TO ME ABOUT A COMMON INTEREST.

SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS

WHERE IS MY CHAPERONE

IS THIS RAPE?!?!

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

https://twitter.com/jimsterling/status/92639906416959488?lang=en-gb

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I caught myself a stalker from what I thought was going to be just a friendly conversation playing Ingress. So very, very Enlightened. I knows simply being talked to by a male stranger in public is not the end of the world, but I admit I still get my hackles up in situations like this.

Re: Gender Thread

[feotakahari]

Maddy Myers did one of these articles, too. I was glad to see a lot of the regular commenters calling her out on it. Even in a feminist circle, there's room to recognize when people are being too hostile.

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I assume she "lives in this world" the same way everyone else who has ever been annoyed at a minor thing (which is basically everyone, period) does.

That argument annoys me no matter what it's aimed at.

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I liked it, although I hope people don't take the message away that we should quip less about men because they might secretly be trans women. she felt alienated by people with their "us vs them" mentality and the difficulty of questioning yourself while being questioned by others.

personally I also found it interesting that she relates to men because she had a boyhood. kinda fits my own gender feelings, just that I had a girlhood.

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I think it's important to understand it as a general challenge to how we talk about masculinity. It's not a question of politeness to trans or queer people.

I do think it's frustrating how much we conflate things that are outside the cis/straight/patriarchal hegemonic default, and things that are queer. Because those are distinct categories. And something that's been frustrating for me in my life is trying to figure out ways to act and spaces to inhabit that don't fall into those hegemonic narratives, without feeling like Im intruding on queer spaces and modes of existence that are not for me.

Actually I wanted tp post an article as well, Might as well jump on board

[(Anonymous)]

http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2016/05/02/60805/

What's everyone's feeling on this?

Re: Gender Thread

[(Anonymous)]

Those sure are some shitty experiences.

The notion that "ciswomen" need to watch what they say around men in case they are closeted transwomen is pretty baffling, though. What if, in turn, the person you assumed was a "ciswoman" was actually a closeted transman?

With crippling social anxiety?

From a working class home?

Who only passes for white?

And has an invisible disability?

Who is now going to kill himself because you triggered him?

You too have failed to take all possibilities into account. For shame. Join those ciswomen who had absolutely no idea how you identify because you've never told them in acknowledging your privilege.