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⌈ Secret Post #3654 ⌋

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Comments

bad fandom opinions

[ketita]

What opinions do other people in your fandoms hold that are just so wrong how could anybody possibly think this??!?!?!!?

Just because the other day somebody stated at me that "Cloud is a very shallow character compared to Zack, he has no opinions one way or another" and I just. Girl. Did you just play Crisis Core or...?

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[(Anonymous)]

Argh, as a self-admitted, Compilation-loathing, FFVII elitist, that rankles me so hard. I don't get why anyone would like Zack, he's hardly even a character in the original, and he acts like a brain-damaged six-year-old in Crisis Core.

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[ketita]

heeeeh high-five on the Compilation-loathing elitism. I actually do kind of like Zack; I think he's cute. But I think he wouldn't have made much of an impression on anybody if not for Cloud, because Zack-types are a dime a dozen. He's basically a shounen hero.
Cloud's story, however, of trying to rediscover himself and assert his own identity, barreling ahead in spite of the odds and everything his life threw at him... I think that's something different.

A friend of mine, a fellow Compilation-loather, actually says that in the original game he viewed Zack as an antagonist; he was the person Cloud aspired to be so hard that Cloud's own personality was subsumed by him, and Cloud's victory is a victory over Zack, becoming a hero in his own right.

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[(Anonymous)]

After playing FFXV, I can't even begin to understand the people who stan for Lunafreya and think she's the greatest character ever, so pure and wonderful and that romance was so great. I won't go into this for spoilery reasons but what the hell.
Same thing with FFVIII - I can only shake my head at anyone who thinks the Rinoa/Squall romance was anything else than terribly written at best and creepy as hell at worst.

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[feotakahari]

It's Final Fantasy. One of the best-written romantic relationships in the series involves a man who keeps his girlfriend's preserved corpse in his basement. Standards are pretty low.

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[thewakokid]

Cindy is clearly XV Best Girl, and that's all I have to say on that.

I think Iris might have potential after the timeskip, but I havn't got to that yet.

Maybe I just like high energy chicks, which makes Luna of zero interest to me.

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[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I can agree on Rinoa/Squall, though conversely I also think the haters of the pairing - especially the haters of Rinoa - are also ridiculous. She's not absolutely terrible, though I still don't think she and Squall would work out long-term.

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[fishnchips]

People who actually think the friendship between Yamaguchi and Tsukishima in Haikyuu!! is one sided, not equal or even abusive.
People who think Kageyama is a bad person and an asshole.

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[sarillia]

I will never stop complaining about people claiming Ginny looks just like Lily and therefor it's creepy for Harry to date her. I don't even really ship them. I'm just really pedantic about the fact that the same general hair color doesn't make two people look alike without a lot of other features being similar too. Plus I appreciate that Lily has dark red hair like mine that for once isn't compared to fire all the time, unlike Ginny's.

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[(Anonymous)]

I agree.

Honestly I think half of the people who say this, if not most are looking for a reason that it would be "wrong". I just.....can't get why people are dense enough to think that same hair colors makes people similar.

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[ketita]

Maybe it's because some people live in areas where redheads are really rare...? I mean if you switch the hair color around, "Harry's mom had brown hair, and so does Ginny! Omg, it's like he's marrying his mom", the whole thing sounds nonsensical.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I think Lily's more of an auburn redhead; Ginny's hair is light red. Plus, nothing else about them is similar.

(Of course, I go further and see Harry as more Sirius, and Lily as more Hermione, rendering the creep factor useless for that reason as well.)

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[a_potato]

Yeah, that's...definitely an odd one. Lots of reaching going on there.

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[(Anonymous)]

There are an awful lot of people in the Yuri on Ice fandom who think there isn't any canonical support for anything besides platonic friendship between Otabek and Yurio.

Of course you have some people who are anti shipping it because them being three years apart and one being 18 means pedophilia!!@ But there are also the kind of people who just think shipping it is a sign of being a delusional fujoshi with slash goggles on too tight and it's those people who I really don't get in this case. It takes a very willing case of genre blindness not to realize that they were intentionally set up to be shipped. I'm not even saying they're going to be canon (if a second season happens) or that anyone has to ship it! But come on. Kubo and co. are who they are, and it's obvious they knew what they were doing with that motorcycle scene and everything after it.

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[(Anonymous)]

I mean . . . I can kinda see how the motorcycle scene and some interactions were set up as support for Otayuri, but I thought they were just teasing and didn't see any canon romantic hints. Maybe, if there's a second season, they'll become a couple and we can point to those scenes and say that's how it started, but with the way the show ended, I just can't read their relationship as anything but platonic.

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[(Anonymous)]

There were people (not sure how many, but they did exist) who hated Jim Halpert from The Office, and saw Roy as this poor, sweet victim of Jim's asshole machinations, or something. Oh, plus apparently Jim's "bullying" of Dwight meant he was probably actually a psychopath.

O_o

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[(Anonymous)]

...wow, seriously?

The one about Dwight particularly blows my mind.

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[a_potato]

...what? Are these people who identify with Roy or something?

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[philstar22]

abusive!Melkor and victim!Mairon. I can get why some people interpret them that way, but it is just so antithetical to how I interpret Mairon. Melkor, too, in the sense that I see Mairon as the only person he'd never abuse. But mostly I think Mairon is arrogant and thinks he's perfect and wouldn't stand for abuse. As loyal as he is, the minute Melkor hit him he'd be out of there. But not before telling Melkor exactly what Mairon thought of the abuse and why Melkor was going to miss him. And honestly, Mairon is a big part of the brains in terms of strategy, so Melkor I don't think is stupid enough to try anything like that even if he wanted to. He needs Mairon.


The idea that Hermione was wrong to fight for house elf rights at all, that house elves are meant to be enslaved and that Hermione just should accept it. Really? Not only is this wrong based on canon, it is rather offensive to suggest that slavery is ever a good thing.

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[ketita]

I think in general fandom tends to tack a lot of abuse-of-underlings type tropes, without considering that often, abuse is not the best way to win loyalty... especially if you need the person's skills. And especially if the person has the option of leaving.

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[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I generally agree on Melkor and Sauron, partly due to the way my RP partner characterised the way Melkor worked - he persuades, shows people something "better", treats them well unless they misbehave and defy him.

I like the House Elf thing treated as a crossing of two different cultures. I do agree with Ketita's comment that the portrayal of the issue was very inconsistent, so I think there is room for different interpretations on how much they need to work for someone. The point that I think is unequivocal is that mistreating them is a bad thing, but canon never got Hermione that far and she only ever wanted to completely free them from their positions without thinking how she was also destroying their support systems in the process.
Now that I think about it, it's a little bit like animal rights activists who go and break animals out of captivity... and the animal die because they have no idea how to live in the wild. House Elves can be seen as being like that - they don't know how to live outside service, so just getting them summarily fired is not the way to help them.

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[(Anonymous)]

There were at least a few people in The X-Files fandom who really disliked Scully, and saw her as this nagging shrew. Usually these were people who either shipped Mulder with Krycek, wanted Mulder for themselves, or both.

And okay, it's not like Scully was perfect. After everything she and Mulder saw, her refusal to believe could sometimes come off as irrational obstinate. But that was clearly down to the writers being unwilling to jeopardize the stable working dynamic between the leads, in which she was a skeptic and he was a believer.

It always just seemed like people who hated Scully thought she ought to have devoted herself to being Mulder's professional cheerleader or something.

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[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if anyone else here even watches the show, but on Blindspot I ship Reade/Zapata (although I haven't seen the most recent episode yet, so if something horrible happened relating to them I don't know about it yet) and apparently that's bad for some reason? I have zero idea why it's any "worse" than any of the other ships (although to be fair I don't think there's anything wrong with any of them, even if I don't ship them) but R/Z has nothing "problematic" about it and all I see is people really disliking them and I'm really kind of confused by it all?

(And on re-reading your question apparently this is the opposite of what you're asking but hopefully it's okay to leave it because I'm seriously so confused by this.)

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[(Anonymous)]

Violence is A+++, romance or anything sexual is AWFUL.

An active guro artist in my fandom just went off on age-gap ships as disgusting and morally wrong. Because we all know it's better to have a character fictionally eviscerate another than to give them fictional flowers.

It starts sounding like Animal Farm, all fiction is fictional, but some fiction is more fictional than others!

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[(Anonymous)]

That korra asami was the omg greatest lesbian story evarrrr in animation, when it only existed the last five seconds of the show. Steven Universe blew that five seconds away countless times, and has a lot more interesting relationships between women than 'lol we did shitty things to each other to bang the same guy, I guess we're in love now or whatever?"