[ SECRET POST #1174 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1174 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

April 1st Submissions Post is open!

Secrets Left to Post: 08 pages, 185 secrets from Secret Submission Post #168.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: 141

[(Anonymous)]

ill happily tell you why s/u comm is run down. its run by a bunch of angry black bitches who all by themselves perpetuate that stereotype.

there's a sock-puppet mod because the mods arent mature enough to be impartial and take personal responsibility. when members hate them, their feeewings are hurted.

these same mods feature quizzes that only 'people of color' should take because only they matter, nobody of a different color could possibly relate to 'their' black princess.

there is zero allowance for criticizing uhura as a character, zoe as an actress, or black females in sci-fi in general because they are all put on a pedastol and if you do, you're a fucking racist.

you don't like the pda on the transporter pad in front of every fucking body? your a RACIST! you cant stand to see a STRONG BAMF BLACK INTELLIGENT WELL SPOKEN BEAUTIFUL FINE REAL DEAL SISTA ruin your lilly white hero.

you like her pony tail? RACIST! you can stand to see a NAPPY KINKY FUZZY HEADED STRONG BAMF BLACK WOMAN DO HER THANG WITHOUT TRYING TO WHITEN HER UP!just because she's not white, it's not alright!OUTRAGGEE! BLACK POWA'...

the S/U com has all the craziness of the "iTz t0taLLy CaNoN" K/S com but none of the solidarity.

Re: 141

[(Anonymous)]

quizzes that only 'people of color' should take

Wat.

_{lmfao remember that random OT post about Doctor Who a while back? No one in that comm is bitter u guyz.}

lol u mad

[(Anonymous)]

Re: 141

[fairhearing.livejournal.com]

Even though you're, um, kind of right, you're making it sound like an attempt at racial awareness was the issue, when really it was bullying EVERY FUCKING BODY into no longer feeling like the pairing was their own to love and enjoy and develop and discuss, and being really and unnecessarily mean and nasty while doing so (OMG THE TONE ARGUMENT).

same anon

[(Anonymous)]

at some point it stops being about 'racial awareness' tbh. it seemed like a lot of the black members automatically thought because someone is not black they don't know how to behave themselves in discussion. all those posted race rules and videos where supposed to "prevent" fail but it just seems rude and presumptuous on their part. if someone said something racist and then the mods let them have it, i would have understood and appreciated their intervention linking that person to those materials instead of telling me from the start 'YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT TALKING WITH BLACK PEOPLE, SO HERE'S A LIST OF INSTRUCTIONS. IT APPLIES TO ALL OF US BUT WE'RE NOT OF HIVE MENTALITY!"

plus they have a mod who would call someone a racist at the drop of a hat and exaggerate everything to horrific proportions. one person, ONE PERSON, who said they wanted someone to take uhura down a "peg or two" in a kinkmeme was slapped with the label racist. no one ever asked the op what they meant, never asked if they where aware that it could be misconstrued as racist and misogynistic, they where just labeled and back up from the comm was called to war in the thread. thats when s/u fans got a horrible reputation on lj and it never fucking ended because any body who spoke out against s/u, or uhura or zoe HAS TO HAVE ~latent racist tendencies~ because this person and people defending the op told them they were digging too deep. another time, one person on f!s posted a secret about sucky stories in the s/u fandom (not even identifying the community specifically) and then OHSHITSON! EVRY1 IS AGAINST US B/C WE'RE BLACK.BURNITDOWN!1!1

so it wasn't racial awareness i have issue with, its using race to, like you said, bully everyone into following what they believe is the proper way to like/enjoy uhura. you MUST recognize she is black and black women are like this....while white girls are like this...you MUST understand this to *get* her character. YOU MUST. which is why there are shit load of OT posts like UHURA NEEDED BLACK HAIR TO REALLY BE BLACK, UHURA AND THE BLACK BRUTE TROPES, S/U AND MARTHA/TEN ~WHITE PPLZ HATE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK~. NEWSFLASH!!1 a lot of ppl didn't like rose/nine, objected crazily to it, but that's ok and expected because anything that happens in fandom is subject to scrutiny. but since martha's black there can be no objections because....SHE'S BLACK!!?????? yes there are racists, but its hard to pick them out from people who seriously don't like the pairing because of whatever reason so play it safe AND DON'T INCLUDE EVERYBODY WHO OBJECTS TO THE PAIRING AS A RACIST BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU SOUND LIKE A FUCKWIT AND MAKES THE REST OF US LOOK BAD.

Re: same anon

[(Anonymous)]

/pat pat

I don't ship S/U, but I've seen the wonder (cough) that is the S/U comm and I feel your pain. I would never, ever want my OTP's comms to look like that (to put it mildly.)

another time, one person on f!s posted a secret about sucky stories in the s/u fandom (not even identifying the community specifically) and then OHSHITSON! EVRY1 IS AGAINST US B/C WE'RE BLACK.BURNITDOWN!1!1

This is relevant to my interests. What story was this?

Re: same anon

[(Anonymous)]

Not the anon you're talking to, but iirc, it wasn't one story, but like a lot of stories in general (I think they called out the rather OOC kid!fic that's been floating around, though)

Re: same anon again

[(Anonymous)]

like the poster above said, they were talking about ALL the fics that involve spock being WILDLY OOC (speaking slang, being fluffy with uhura, excessive pda...ect), babies! named grayson or amanda, marriage...basically the all around pussification of Spock. and a lot of the big name writers of s/u where there (before in-fighting drove them out WHAT OTHER TREK FANDOM HAS THAT PROBLEM?!?!?!!)do ALOT of that so they got sad and then angry. you can pretty much click on any story there and see for yourself, especially ones by bana05, recumbenantgoat or ankhesen_mie (who writes the R U A RACIST quiz).

Re: same anon

[(Anonymous)]

I was the person who posted that secret and the resultant wank was so fucking ridiculous I left the S/U fandom. Your summary is A+.

Re: 141

[snowlight.livejournal.com]

the S/U com has all the craziness of the "iTz t0taLLy CaNoN" K/S com but none of the solidarity.

We spell better than that! :P

Re: 141 - Goddamn, where have I been?

[r0ck3tsci3ntist.livejournal.com]

I've been watching and commenting on that comm for a while now and I don't see it the same way at all. There's been some heated debate but it sure didn't come cross like that to me.

People do get excited sometimes but nothing like what you're making it out to be.

Re: 141 - Goddamn, where have I been?

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that there seems to be only one person here saying positive things reveals a lot more than anonymous commentating ever could.

Re: 141 - Goddamn, where have I been?

[(Anonymous)]

ikr?

Re: 141 - Goddamn, where have I been?

[r0ck3tsci3ntist.livejournal.com]

The fact that there seems to be only one person here saying positive things reveals a lot more than anonymous commentating ever could.

LOL! Yes, because I am only one person my comment is completely invalid! Logic win!

Re: 141 - Goddamn, where have I been?

[fairhearing.livejournal.com]

I think the implication was that, in a discussion about personal experiences, the experiences of the many outweigh the experiences of the few.

Surely you can see the logic in that.

YES. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

[(Anonymous)]

im going to take a stab and say you werent there for the hair!fail (all four parts), f!s outrage, the OMG!ONTD_ST HATES BLACK PPL, the OMG!ST_KINKMEM HATES BLACK PPL!, teaoil being banned, the phantom mod(s) appearing out of no where, the fucking quizzes, the comparison of star trek fandom s/u butthurt to dr. who martha/ten butthurt (yes, similar but way to generalize about EVERYBODY AND FURTHER POLARIZE) and the mass exodus to uhura_spock for people of color only.

if you see nothing wrong with the comm its because you srsly choose not to or you agree. not judging, but you are part of the problem i have with the comm.

Re: YES. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

[r0ck3tsci3ntist.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I was there. Didn't freak me out. Seen much more intense IRL.

People need to be able to talk. Now if there have been people being shut down without a chance to express their issues, then yeah, I missed that.

[(Anonymous)]

Teaoil was b&? Details plz

[stars-fell.livejournal.com]

Oh god. I bailed sometime around the advent of the hair!fail and the race bingo card. I found some of the discussion to be intelligent and thought-provoking but on the whole, I REALLY disliked the impression that I would never understand or appreciate Uhura as a character because I'm white.

Just my two cents.

Sad but true

[(Anonymous)]

The comm was fine when it was just herm_weasley running the place (that girl is awesome) but now it seems like even though she's still a mod, even she pretty avoids that place other than to post the weekly whatever.

Honestly, it feels like if you're white or hell, just NOT black, you don't get to say anything.

It kind of pains me to see a comm for a pairing I really like totally self-destructing and driving away all the fans. Granted the ST fandom as a whole is kind of crazy but at least the shippers are crazy TOWARD other shippers, not within their own group.

there's a lot of hypocrisy over there

[(Anonymous)]

Some of those people are perfectly fine with shipping Uhura with the whole damn bridge crew (look how many times they call for Uhura getting a 'harem') but if you ship Spock with someone who isn't Uhura, then it's OMG YOU ARE RACIST.

[(Anonymous)]

This confuses the hell out of me. lol Maybe Spock's off limits for everyone but Uhura?

[(Anonymous)]

IT'S BECAUSE IF UHURA IS FUCKING EVERYONE, THAT SHOWS HER BAMFNESS AND PROUD BLACK HERITAGE OVER THE WHITE MAN ignoring the fact that hey! There are other ethnicities which are just accepted by the fandom, without having to be shoved down your throat and Spock = "white man", Spock = "white Vulcan, BUT IF ANYONE TAKES HER MAN THAT'S RACIST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LOVE THE BLACK WOMAN FOR BEING BLACK AND FOR NOTHING ELSE BECAUSE SHE IS BLACK.

YES OMG YES

[(Anonymous)]

A+++ observation.

Re: YES OMG YES

[(Anonymous)]

not that i'd even want to ship them with others cause they are my otp but i'd appreciate some fucking consistency from these people.