[ SECRET POST #2315 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2315 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

13. http://i40.tinypic.com/51ete8.jpg

[ex_paola492]

What are you learning? Have you thought about translating a book and publishing it online?

[(Anonymous)]

Farsi. I can get translations of many English-language books into it (Harry Potter for one, woo), but the most anime I've found is a few short clips of Samurai X on YouTube.

[ex_paola492]

Ah, I see. Have you tried here?

http://irananime.blogfa.com/
http://narutoirani.blogspot.com/2008/04/persian-manga.html

[astridv]

I'm boggled that you found it laughable in the first place. It's such a no brainer.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Because my primary experience with using any sort of fandom for language learning has always been with weeaboos who only want to learn Japanese so they don't have to read the subtitles while watching anime. Fully half the kids in my Elementary Japanese I class had this and only this as their endgame for learning the language. It was obnoxious. They were obnoxious. It left a foul taste in my mouth.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

How is that obnoxious? I can see how someone could be obnoxious about it, but in-and-of itself, I don't see how wanting to learn Japanese to watch anime or read manga is obnoxious. It's a hobby and an entertainment and they probably got pride and enjoyment out of both the effort and the payoff of their language studying.

Not everyone can or is willing to take a trip to Japan or get a job as a translator. Learning a language just to learn it, or just to get a different experience with media in it, seems just a legitimate to me. It's still an increase in the number of people who are speaking and keeping the language alive.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

So if, for example, someone learned English just to read the Harry Potter's books without waiting months for the official translation, you would find them just as obnoxious or you just hate anime/manga fans?

da

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I can kind of see what they mean. As a long-time foreign language student, I've noticed that people who ONLY care about pop culture tend to miss a LOT when it comes to the language they're studying. Plus, in the case of anime and manga, if that's their ONLY source of education (for the most part), their speaking skills tend to be pretty bad. Fandom and things like books, music, shows, etc. are GREAT for enhancements to studying a language, and should definitely be utilized! But they shouldn't be the ONLY source of your education, in my opinion. A well-rounded education tends to be the best, and if all these people care about is knowing what's happening on the next episode of Show X, they're most likely going to miss a lot of implications and undertones.

And yeah, to be honest, a vast majority of them can be super obnoxious about it. "I'VE STUDIED FOR THREE MONTHS I AM TEH MASTURRRR OF DIS LANGUAGE HERP DERP I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THIS CULTURE 10000000%"

[silverau]

When people say that people who learn language through fandom are stupid/not going to learn right/learning for the wrong reasons/etc, they're just showing off the fact that they know nothing about language learning. Taking a class might be considered a more "respectable" way to learn, but how many people do you know that learned Spanish in high school got to the point where they can use it in non-school contexts? I took Japanese in high school and after I graduated I started learning by Pokemon games. My reading skills skyrocketed. Then I put the video games aside and started taking university classes in Japanese. I've hardly learned anything; I don't have any time to do translation practice or practice forming sentences because I'm too busy trying to memorize the kanji and vocabulary for the next quiz which I will promptly forget after the quiz is over due to never encountering it again. And my Japanese is getting TERRIBLE. I'm seriously tempted to quit the classes and go back to the video games, but "learned Japanese through Pokemon" is not going to look as good on my resume as "Minor in Japanese language." *sigh*

Tl:dr: Primary sources are a great way to learn and if that primary source is something you're enthusiastic about, it's even better.

OP's situation must be karma or something. XD

[(Anonymous)]

do you really need the minor in japanese? wouldn't it be better to actually know the langugage well and be able to prove it? or get one of those tests of fluency that give you a certificate? (forgot the name)

seriously it sounds more time/cost effective to ditch the classes and go back to what works, and then take the test to prove you are fluent

[(Anonymous)]

I'm with other anon. The minor looks good in some cases, but if you want to get work with a Japanese company or in Japan, they're going to value actual fluency over a note on your transcript. The JLP is tough, but it looks really good to potential employers, too.

You might also consider looking for something that would balance private and formal study? If you don't want the minor and want to focus on proficiency, you could always look for private tutors. I actually preferred those to larger classes, since they can focus things more to your personal strengths and weaknesses.

[astridv]

When people say that people who learn language through fandom are stupid/not going to learn right/learning for the wrong reasons/etc, they're just showing off the fact that they know nothing about language learning.

Seriously. So narrow-minded.

[lyndis]

I'm curious to know what language, OP!

[(Anonymous)]

Farsi...

[(Anonymous)]

I can understand it seeming a bit weird from the outside, but it makes sense if you think about it. People get interested in the media made in a particular language, which often gets them interested in the culture(s) behind the language and leads to them studying it. It's not really any less valid a reason for learning a language than any other. In my experience, the people who are learning Japanese just so they can watch anime without subtitles either aren't nearly as plentiful as people think, and I'm saying this as someone who studied Japanese at the university level and later lived in Japan. It's true that there's usually that handful of people in every beginner's Japanese class who's obnoxious, to put it lightly, but a lot of people seem to assume that anyone taking Japanese with an interest in Japanese media (and particularly anime) = total weeaboo just studying it so they can watch raw anime and gain further otaku street cred. I can understand where the assumption comes from, but it's still a bit silly.

As far as the language you're studying goes, have you tried watching raw movies/tv shows or finding songs, books, etc to practice your translation skills? Not the same as having a fandom to work with, but I know that watching TV and movies has always been extremely helpful to my listening comprehension when learning languages.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. Looking back on it...I think I might have been a little bit harsh.

But yes. Books and videos...also I like music, so YouTube is my friend, lol.

[(Anonymous)]

English speakers often don't realize this, but there are SO MANY people out there who learned English because of fandom. I fail to see why the opposite (English speakers learning another language for fandom) would be a bad thing.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, this

fandom was pretty much the only thing that motivated me to learn English beyond the super basic bits in school (days of the week, colors, standard conversation snippets, some vocabulary, etc.)

[laughingpineapple]

Thiiiiiiiiiis! My first motivation to learn English was understanding Magic cards and Talisman expansions.

[kallanda_lee]

I originally learned by watching Saturday morning BBC children's programming - so technically, that's also fandom, if you squint a bit.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes I sure wish I could find good/relevant fanfics in German. I mean, novels and things are fine but it takes a lot more effort to stick with reading a novel. Fanfic seems like a more relaxed and fun way to continue regular language exposure after graduating.

[(Anonymous)]

try deutsch_fandom on LJ?

[world_eater]

http://animexx.onlinewelten.com/fanfiction/

I can't tell you how good they'll be, just like with any other fanfiction archive, but it's a lot of stuff.

[laughingpineapple]

Oh, same. So many talented German fans in my fandoms, but fanfic-wise, not as much.