[ SECRET POST #2371 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2371 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/x4xpMGR.png

[(Anonymous)]

Glad to have this confirmed.

[(Anonymous)]

As long as people don't mistake Hannibal (very twisted version of) caring for Will for Hannibal actually being *good* for Will.

[(Anonymous)]

He has quite a way of showing it. He served that one non-people soup specifically to Will because it's supposed to bad for people with autoimmune diseases. Which Will kinda has.

[fauxkaren]

I think Fuller is pandering a bit tbh.

Hannibal is fucked up and maybe he THINKS he cares about Will, but on Hannibal's part it's a fundamentally selfish relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course you'd say that.

[straycatblues]

IA,you expressed this better than I could've.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, both about Hannibal and Fuller. Hannibal -- like Will Graham said in the show when he described the copycat as a baby left for dead -- is a twisted, stunted thing that is utterly incapable of true love or connection to another human being. If he's attached to Will and cares for Will, it is by his own twisted and stunted version of attachment and care, one that does not resemble attachment and care in the rest of humanity.

It makes for a great story, and please Fuller, let it continue, but it makes me cringe when people take his words to mean the Hannibal, like, LOVE loves Will Graham. He doesn't because he can't.

Which is fine! I absolutely adore the mess that is Hannibal and Will's relationship (such as it is) and can't wait to see where it goes. It just bugs me when people don't see it as the mess that it is.

[(Anonymous)]

Why does it have to be pandering? Isn't it possible that his interpretation of his characters are different than your own?

And who would he be pandering to? I know Hannigrahm is popular on Tumblr, but do you think the average viewer who watches the show ships them?

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

[feotakahari]

Not a fan of this show, but that description sounds really, really twisted. Like, this guy doesn't want to raise the other guy up, he wants to drag him down to his level. Whether he cares about the other guy seems like a moot point.

[(Anonymous)]

this guy doesn't want to raise the other guy up, he wants to drag him down to his level

but to hannibal, raising will up would be putting him on his level

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is Hannibal Lecter talking to Will Graham from the TV series "Hannibal". There are quotes from an interview with Bryan Fuller, the developer of the series.

So, is he punishing Will?
Bryan Fuller: I think that everything that Hannibal has done to Will has been a radical, unorthodox form of therapy. I would argue that all of the deeds still come from a place of genuine care. he is trying to help Will see himself better and get to a truer version of who Hannibal thinks Will is. Even setting him up to take the fall for these murders has been an act of therapy, in Hannibal's mind.

Can Will distance himself from Hannibal, or will he have access to him as his attending psychiatrist?
Fuller: Hannibal will always want to be close to Will. He sees a great potential in Will as this pure human being, and he's seduced by Will's purity. He's attracted to it, and he's also very eager to conquer it in some way.

Is Hannibal's obsession with Will also an attempt to more fully understand himself?
Fuller: Hannibal's absolutely on a journey of self-exploration, and he's fascinated by his fascination with Will. He is curious about this change that's come over him. It's sort of like somebody who is falling in love for the first time and had never felt that was actually a possibility for them. That's a fresh, unexplored territory for Hannibal that is exciting to him and interesting to him. Maybe his ultimate downfall is his attraction and affection for Will Graham.]

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I'm glad Fuller's confirmed that, as messed up as Hannibal is, he does genuinely care about Will.

[(Anonymous)]

That reads to me more like Hannibal is infatuated with his IDEA of what Will is/can be. He wouldn't care for Will if he weren't able to mold him into what Hannibal wants.

And that's not caring, that's narcissistic obsession.

[straycatblues]

Hannibal thinks there could be a friendship between him and Will,but that friendship is something only Hannibal can define in a really fucked up way.He manipulates Will,frames him as a murderer and feeds him things (AND PEOPLE GODDAMN IT) that literally worsen his condition.He wants to strip Will of everything he is and reduce him to what he could be:a serial killer who uses his empathy to kill.

Not just Hannibal...

[(Anonymous)]

...but I hate when creators/producers say something in an interview and we're supposed to take it as part of canon. They need to actually put it in the canon for it to be canon.

[deadtree]

now that is what you call a shipper on deck holy shit.

[(Anonymous)]

Man, I wish I had the stomach to watch this show. The psychology seems so interesting, but I can't handle it :(

[ibroketuesday]

Hannibal cares about Will in the same way I care about my copy of my favorite book. It engages my interest and it gives me good feelings, like comfort, pleasure, and excitement. I would say that I love this book. But my feelings toward the book are all centered around myself; I love the book because of how it stimulates ME; I can do whatever I want with the book; I am a person and the book is an inanimate object. I don't worry about the book's well-being. I don't hope it has a long and fulfilling life. If my copy is destroyed, I'll grumble about having to buy a new one, but I won't grieve the loss of an independent life, a separate world, because it doesn't matter whether that particular physical copy is at hand; what matters is that I can read whenever I want. Essentially, that kind of love is nothing like the love I bear for other people, where I care about them separate from myself, but that's the kind of love Hannibal has for Will.

Hannibal doesn't care if Will is happy, healthy, or sane. He cares if Will is his. He wants Will to be there for Hannibal's own pleasure, and that's all that matters. He has proven willing to destroy Will if that's what it takes to keep Will under his control. Yes, he's very involved with and attached to Will, but it's in the same way that a child loves their favorite toy. Will is ancillary to Hannibal; Will is the best book Hannibal has ever read.

[electromouse]

Okay, I'm just marathoning through the series like right this instant, and how I see it is Hannibal knows Will has too much empathy for the killer, and he is a killer so, in his own twisted sense, he knows Will will empathize with him. And I also agree with anon up there, that he is dragging Will to his own level to do so.

Also adding that the whole "giving him food that will make his Encephalitis worst" is a way of keeping control over him.

Anyway, those are my 2cents. Like I said, I'm looking at it with newbie eyes.

[otakugal15]

I saw the latest episode....

Just...

What....

That is not will Graham. That is an impostor. Where is my book!Will, dammit?

*about to tear hair out from frustration*

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not. And I wish I'd not actually read this secret, because it demonstrates that Bryan Fuller doesn't understand what a psychopath is and has the same romantic fantasy about them I see so often in fandom. Psychopaths don't care about anyone other than themselves. They are biologically incapable of it.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish he wouldn't. So many of the 'Hannigram' shippers are insufferable enough already.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that everything that Hannibal has done to Will has been a radical, unorthodox form of therapy. I would argue that all of the deeds still come from a place of genuine care. he is trying to help Will see himself better and get to a truer version of who Hannibal thinks Will is. Even setting him up to take the fall for these murders has been an act of therapy, in Hannibal's mind.

Sounds a lot like Ari I and Justin in Cyteen.