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⌈ Secret Post #2418 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

16. [SPOILERS for Harry Potter]
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[(Anonymous)]

Serious question: is there any evidence that Snape repudiated his actual beliefs, rather than just his allegiance to the Death Eaters? I mean, is there anything in the books saying, "Snape realized it was totally wrong to hate Muggles and accepted them fully and wasn't a bigot anymore" or at least implying it?

Because it's honestly possible that there is something saying that and I don't remember it. But I've always thought that was the main reason for the difference in the way they're treated (along with the fact that Dumbledore was way less of an asshole to the kids that he was in charge of). Could just be totally wrong though so if I am, sorry about that!

[maverickz3r0]

There's...not much, but in the Snape's memories chapter the portrait of Phineas Nigellus says 'Mudblood' and Snape tells him off for it. Of course, that could have nothing to do with repenting and more to do with the fact it ended his friendship with Lily.

So, no, not really.

[iceyred]

I thought that Snape only joined the Death Eaters because they gave him a place to belong,accepted him, etc. He'd been bullied and abused all his life and that was why he joined, not because he really believed Muggles were inferior.

[(Anonymous)]

In the rare events where he's around while they're in danger, he seems as invested in protecting all the kids, not just the pureblood ones. Thing that springs to mind was when Lupin was going to attack them.

[morieris]

Hm. It's interesting, because I see some people hate Dumbledore...not because of that, but because of his unwillingness to tell Harry things.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate Dumbledore after learning about his past. I understand not telling kids everything, especially in war, but the fact that he was pretty much Wizards Are Better and we're supposed to think of him as the representation of GOOD.

Then there's Rowling's "he became asexual" after his love of Grindelwald led him down the wrong path and that just kind of irritates me. It reads like sexuality is a choice.

And she followed that up with his life of celibacy and asexuality and celibacy don't go together all the time. Much like gay people have sex with straight people, abstaining from sex doesn't determine your sexuality, nor does having sex.

[lex_antonia]

I love those two shady-ass motherfuckers, and I wouldn't want them any other way.

I don't think Dumbledore changed all that much, tbh. He essentially raised Harry for the slaughter in the name of the greater good; it was Voldemort being overconfident that saved Harry. And Snape, being a double agent, did whatever he did as a Death Eater in Dumbledore's name just as well as in Voldemort's. I always found that poignant.

Dumbledore is as grey as Snape's night shirt, and really, his backstory has been hinted at from book one. The first time we see him, he decides to place Harry with the Dursleys, like that's his call to make. No one else gets a say. Even his chocolate frog card says he used to be an alchemist, which already suggests he shared the interest in eternal life with Voldemort.

Basically, I love him. But he's entirely ruthless and not the quintessential good guy that people want him to be.

[(Anonymous)]

Basically, I love him. But he's entirely ruthless and not the quintessential good guy that people want him to be.

It took me a while, admittedly, I remember in OoTP really not liking that - but I actually kind of love Dumbledore's character because he's so damn complex. And in a lot of ways he demonstrates just how far a Gryffindor can go the same way Voldemort demonstrates just how far a Slytherin can go. Gryffindors are knights, and if you look back at history, knights did some pretty shitty things because they decided it was for the greater good.

[miarrow]

Yeah, I find Dumbledore more likable, but I think they're both interesting but flawed characters in their own right.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah! Granted, the timeline was wonky for the night of Harry's parent's deaths, but it sounds like a few hours after the deaths, Dumbledore was all like

"Oh, they're dead? Time to move Harry to his Aunt's house and make some blood wards, like, right now. Hagrid...!"

Sirius hadn't even been arrested yet!

[miarrow]

Yeah, but Dumbledore didn't spend the entire series manipulating and tormenting children like Har-- oh wait.

[(Anonymous)]

well, at least he only manipulated and tormented one child, i guess

that's something

[dragonimp]

DID Snape change? He was still an abusive, bullying shit. Dumbledore's hardly a saint either, but there's not much evidence that Snape gave up his old attitudes after switching sides.

[(Anonymous)]

I admit I mainly like Snape because tumblr feminists hate him so. He was a cool character, but as a teacher? Fucking awful, who even let him near kids?

[tasogare_n_hime]

This is copy/pasted from the Snape wank we had a while ago isn't it?

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spoilers for Harry Potter

[Picture is Albus Dumbledore and Severus Snape from the Harry Potter movies. Albus has long white hair, a long white beard and a white mustache. He has a slightly tanned light skin. He is wearing eyeglasses, a dark robe and a dark hat. Severus has slightly tanned skin, short dark hair that looks sort of dirty reaching his jaw and is wearing dark robes. Albus is saying something thoughtfully, while Severus looks like he's holding back his anger.]

I find it hypocritical that people are unwilling to forgive Snape for his "racist" beliefs or allegiance to Voldemort when Dumbledore himself once believed in the superiority of wizards over muggles, that wizards should rule over them and that any losses along the way would be "for the greater good". Dumbledore changed, but only after someone he loved died -- as did Snape.

[philstar22]

I'd agree with you in that sense, except as others have said there is little evidence that his views actually changed. Also, and even more important IMHO, his treatment of children was deplorable and unforgivable even apart from whatever his views on muggleborns as an adult were.

And I see more criticism of Snape focusing on that. When people discuss his viewpoints, it is generally as a counter to fans who blame Lily for ending the friendship or who say that Snape/Lily could have worked. Whatever his viewpoints as an adult, he did hold them as a child. And that makes the blame for the end of the friendship completely and totally his. I don't usually see his viewpoints as being the thing people focus on when they dislike him. Usually it is his actions as an adult.

[(Anonymous)]

Does HP still require spoiler warnings? Honest question, not trying to start something.

[gabzillaz]

Snape was an adult who bullied children out of spite, that's probably why.

[(Anonymous)]

You're basically never going to convince me that someone doing morally questionable or shitty things in the pursuit of a good end is just as bad as someone who does shitty things because he is shitty. I'm sorry, but you're just not. I'm not saying that everything is justified if it's for the greater good, but doing it for the greater good is at least a reason; it's a lot more justifiable even if it's not actually justified.

To be clear here, I'm referring to their behaviors after their various epiphanies, more than to their behaviors before.

[(Anonymous)]

The difference for me is that when Ariana died, Dumbledore very obviously changed his beliefs about the superiority of wizards over Muggles, to the point where he gained a reputation for it among wizards like Malfoy; and not just Muggles and Muggleborns, going by his willingness to let Remus attend Hogwarts when werewolves were apparently such a taboo.

Snape held similar beliefs, lost Lily, and it's anyone's guess whether his beliefs changed or just his loyalties did (from pro to anti-Voldemort, because he killed her). His objecting to Phineas's use of the word Mudblood - it being the word that first cost him Lily - could support either side.

Though they were both asses to kids under their care. I suppose Dumbledore gets a half point for not routinely making said kid(s) feel like shit.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I am not exactly a huge supporter of Dumbledore - I read bashing fics about him more often than not - but Snape, well as others have said, he's a shitty teacher who bullies his students.

I don't care how much anyone thinks Snape could have changed, it fails to stand up to the fact that he's a shitty teacher who bullies his students.

Yes, I repeat that line because it's relevant: he's a shitty teacher who bullies his students.

[(Anonymous)]

There's literally no contest. Dumbledore switched sides because he believed what he had been doing was terrible and he wanted to be a better person. He spent the rest of his life actively fighting for the rights and well-being of the people he had once believed to be inferior.

Snape didn't give a shit about the morality of it. He would've remained a Death Eater if Lily had not been involved. He would've remained a Death Eater had he believed Voldemort was the better bet in keeping LIly safe. It had nothing to do with believing his views were wrong. He never had a change of heart in the matter.

[seventh_seal]

Yeah, beat that dead horse to death, people.

It's ridiculous that the only way to have a discussion about Snape today - as it seems to me (LJ is atrophied, Tumblr isanine) - is on Fandomsecrets.

What I mean is - in what universe is suddenly an interpretation of a book character a secret and discussion thereof a secret? If you can't sign your made up internet name, maybe you should get over yourself.