[ SECRET POST #2590 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2590 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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03.
[Don't Hug Me I'm Scared]


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04.
[Cloud Atlas]


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05.
[Hannibal]


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06.
[Goonies]


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07.
[Gwilym Lee]


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08.
[Mass Effect]


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09.
[Sherlock]


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10.
[Sleepy Hollow]


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11.
[Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith]


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12.
[Sherlock]


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13.
[Being Human UK]


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14.
[Craig Ferguson]


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15.
[Christina Ricci]


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16.
[High School Musical]


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17.
[Blue Exorcist]


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18.
[Frozen, Tangled]


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19.
[Amanda Palmer, Emilie Autumn]










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Comments

[fscom]

18. http://i.imgur.com/AOItMTo.png
[Frozen, Tangled]

[(Anonymous)]

I think that was more the parents fault, and Elsa just carried on with the way things were without questioning it. It's likely a regent was ruling until Elsa came of age and the regent (if they didn't know about Elsa's powers) probably trusted the staff to keep doing things the way they always had. And Anna just sort of got forgotten in all the tumult after the parents died.

I honestly think that if someone had brought it up (and I sort of feel like Anna was too timid to do so herself, or couldn't/didn't know how to get an audience with the right person), they would have let Anna out of the palace to go around the city now and then. It would have been good for the public image and Anna could hardly go around spilling a secret she didn't know.

[meishuu]

Did we watch the same movie? I thought their parents kept them locked away. It really never made sense to me why they locked away Anna too.

[(Anonymous)]

Remember in the coronation scene when Anna asked Elsa if things could be like that again (ie people coming over) and Elsa said they couldn't?

[meishuu]

Yeah, but it seemed to me like the OP was talking about way before that.

[(Anonymous)]

It really never made sense to me why they locked away Anna too.

Very little about the movie's backstory makes any sense, which is why I couldn't get into it, but I came away with the impression that Anna probably got ignored a lot as a child. Younger kid -- i.e., not the heir -- doesn't need the special attention that Elsa's powers do, cannot be allowed to know what's going on with her sister because...the trolls said so, I guess. It probably started as nobody taking the time to take her out and socialize her, and by the time she was old enough to go out on her own she'd internalized that it Was Not Allowed.

[kallanda_lee]

Only it was almost entirely different. Elsa and Anna were close to age, and there was no huge power disparity. Also Elsa didn't start the policy o locking the gates - their parents did. And most importantly, Elsa was genuinely afraid she could hurt Anna, which was not an irrational fear. Elsa, above all things, kept HERSELF locked up.

[ketita]

What? Elsa was in her room the whole time, it wad the parents who kept them closed in. Not saying that part of plot made much sense, but it's not similar to Gothel like... at all

[loracarol]

I... How?

At first it was their parents that kept the gates shut- and for (a relatively) good reason; they're royalty, and one of their children has a magic power that might cause people to want to steal her (and considering that it happened to another monarch's child; see Rapunzel and her cameo, it's a valid possibility).

Keeping both children inside just makes it easier to protect them... I mean, historically speaking, the whole "heirs to the throne just wandering around outside the castle with minimal guards" thing isn't the norm, so having both Anna and Elsa inside the castle makes sense. And then after they die, it makes a lot more sense, because until Elsa's actual coronation, the kingdom is in iffy straights. Not necessarily dire, but iffy; someone who wanted power over the temporarily "ruler"less kingdom could have kidnapped Anna for leverage had she been wandering about.

On the coronation day, however, I'd be willing to guess that there were a lot more guards around the city, to protect visiting dignitaries, and that's why Anna could run around.

Even Elsa's whole "gates are only open today" thing makes sense from a political/personal standpoint; if something happens to Anna, Elsa might not be able to control her powers/might reveal herself (which happens anyway when they open the castle gates, oops!), which could be bad politically speaking.

tl;dr: there are a lot more reasons why it makes sense for Elsa & Anna, even if you don't agree with them, and they're not even remotely the same reasons as for Goethel and Rapunzel, so I'm not sure where you're coming from.

[ketita]

I never thought of the Rapunzel getting kidnapped as motivation to hide Elsa, but I like it. Makes it a wee bit more sensical.

[loracarol]

I mean, I know that it's never stated in the movies, so it's just speculation, but... Rapunzel shows up in the movie, and I'm guessing that the royal families did talk to each other, even in a "were YOU the ones that kidnapped our baby?/Have you seen her?" kind of way.

Though, I have seen headcanons where the Queen from Tangled is the King of Arendelle's sister (or the queens are sisters, either way), which added a layer of personal/familial fear, and I quite like those. :3

[blunderbuss]

I adore your comment. People tend to forget that royalty do tend to have very lonely childhoods for this very reason unless they've been sent away to a royal estate. The tragedy of the situation is that Elsa and Anna were LUCKY enough to be close in age so that they could have fun together but were still kept apart, because that would have been the only way a royal heir could actually play like a kid should. They might have played with the children of noble lords but even that could have heavy political consequences.

[loracarol]

Thank you. :3

I think it's because people are so used to the Disney 'princesses' not growing up as princesses, and thus having a more free lifestyle, like Belle being able to wander around her village.

Granted, there are some other princesses-by-birth, but if you look at them, they all tend to be hidden away from the main population (with Merida and Ariel as exceptions, Merida because that's who she is/how her clan operates, and Ariel because it's hard to stopper up an environment where you can travel vertically with the flick of a fin + her Dad's magic helps protect the merfolk some of the time) either because they're being used as slave labor (Snow White), hidden from evil (Aurora), hidden by evil (Rapunzel), or kept in the castle so they can stay "safe" (Jasmine).

(I think those are the only four official Disney Princesses? I know that Pocahontas is a daughter of royalty-ish/Very Important People, but she's not considered a Disney Princess half the time...)

[tasogare_n_hime]

That is a really good explanation. I always kinda figured Anna had to stay in because if she didn't people might wonder why Elsa was never seen, and start asking worrying questions, or start snooping around in places they shouldn't.

[loracarol]

That is also a good point! If just Anna runs around, people get used to her, but wonder about Elsa; both are hidden away, they figure that's just how the royal family is doing things.

[les_lenne]

Weird. I've seen the movie twice and both times I understood the story like this:

They wouldn't let people in and Anna wasn't locked up, but she didn't like that they never got visitors. But then I also understood it as Elsa choosing to lock herself up and her parents accepted her decision.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I never got the feeling Anna wasn't allowed to leave, just that they didn't allow anyone else inside. I think the parents set that up, but I agree that Elsa probably deemed it better to lock herself away, even after she got the gloves.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like this might be over-simplifying it.

We saw clearly in the movie that people were willing to exploit both of them for power.
I think their parents would always have been protective because being born into that family would make them targets. It can also be unhealthy for children to grow up famous. The whole kingdom would know who they were and would want to know more about their future queen. That's a lot of pressure to grow up with.

When their parents die, I understand why they closed the castle off to the public. Both sisters were not of age, they were grieving, they weren't ready to entertain large crowds of people. We never really saw anything about who was calling the shots before Elsa came of age either.

[forgottenjester]

Someone needs to watch the movie again and remember the parents existed. Then, if you're talking about the ballroom scene, realize it was a bit of a tense moment and she was gonna keep the castle closed but the rest was really left up in the air. I think she was honestly just trying to get through the coronation first and then figure out how to deal with the rest of it.

[writerserenyty]

Yeaaah, like everyone said it was the parents who did it. PRetty different.

It all comes down to intent

[elephantinegrace]

Anna was locked away for her protection (which was unnecessary and ridiculous, but you can still see how her parents and Elsa were driven to that decision). Rapunzel was locked away because Gothel wanted to keep her hair within reach at all times, and protection was given as a bogus reason to keep Rapunzel reassured. One of them is overprotection and misunderstanding, the other is outright selfishness and abuse.

This sounded so much more coherent.

...except she didnt?

[nyxelestia]

Elsa didn't lock up Anna.

Elsa locked herself up, and Anna was never restricted at all. She was isolated in that the castle never got any visitors or parties or anything, but otherwise, Anna wasn't locked up. Hell, during her First Time in Forever song, she was singing about having people over...and she was singing and dancing around the down as well as the castle, and it wasn't particularly remarked upon, so presumably she did actually leave the castle and on a somewhat regular basis (likely with guards around or something), if she doesn't sing about stepping out of the castle as a new experience.

Rapunzel was isolated from all of humanity save Mother Goethel, and never set foot out of her tower until Flynn came barreling in.

Re: ...except she didnt?

[(Anonymous)]

then why as anna so lonely that she was talking to the paintings?

[(Anonymous)]

Points I would like to make:

1. Anna probably wasn't totally restricted to inside the castle. She was likely allowed to leave without guards.
2. Anna was lonely anyway because her best friend, her sister, wouldn't talk to her and even if she tried making friends outside the walls, well, she's royalty, and probably didn't consider her subjects potential friends, as well as it being hard to talk to someone with guards everywhere.
3. Even if Anna wasn't supposed to leave, it wasn't Elsa who created the rules, and Anna never says Elsa enforced them. The castle is her home, she doesn't want to leave, and Elsa has had it knocked into her brain she's not safe to leave.

[redseeker]

Elsa didn't keep Anna locked inside the castle...???

If anything Elsa kept herself locked away. Anna was free to come and go, but Elsa was too afraid of herself and her powers to live freely.