[ SECRET POST #2679 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2679 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

02. http://i.imgur.com/1XD2QLj.jpg

[nan]

Wow. I just realized how big that head is on that long neck and those skinny shoulders.

[(Anonymous)]

And how big their eyes and mouth are and the tiny noses. It's hideous.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I haven't been able to warm up to the animation style of this movie at all for those reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

They were together as little kids, and they presumably saw each other once in a while in the castle. I can't imagine Elsa spending the entirety of those years isolated in her room, even if she came out rarely. And you can care deeply about someone, even if you don't know them very well. Anna certainly cared enough to keep trying to get to know her sister better over the years.

[(Anonymous)]

Except her memories of her sister's abilities were erased so in effect she has no true memories of Elsa, especially how important Elsa's powers were between them before...

And we can handwave anything, but the movie made it a point of showing that they never saw each other ever again. If they had, Anna would probably have known about the gloves and how touchy Elsa had become about them.

So you can imagine anything if you wish, but if you actually watch the movie with a bit of attention, you'll notice that no they didn't grow up together.

Not to say that the storyline as a whole made any sense, because I'll be the first to admit that it didn't. For instance, it's as if they grew up without any adult intervention, love or authority once their parents died which apparently happened right after the initial accident?

[fauxkaren]

I mean... you might think that the story was unbelievable or not told well, but that was clearly the story that they were trying to tell. What else do you think the story was supposed to be about?

[(Anonymous)]

Lesbian incestuous sisters.

[(Anonymous)]

OP is one of those people who thinks that Disney actually made a family movie about sisters falling in love romantically.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone whose familial relationships are being strained by being in the closet I found it pretty spot on. I don't think the idea was that Elsa, and Anna never saw each other, they probably even spent some awkward meals together on days when Elsa was feeling more in control. There's even a deleted scene that implied they had more socialization (more of a deleted storyboard but Disney never seems to throw away much in finished animation), and while it didn't work for telling the story in a 1 1/2 hour format things like that probably happened.


And anyway it's pretty clear that Anna still adores Elsa.

[ex_mek82]

I thought the way the story handled the sisterly love v. romantic love was pretty poorly implemented. Maybe if they had spent more time on their interactions together in the castle before the whole blow up at the coronation party, or cut down on the Anna & Kristoff stuff (since it seems their relationship got more attention than that of Anna and Elsa's, but maybe I watched a different movie compared to everyone else), I dunno.

[(Anonymous)]

"Anne" XD

[seventh_seal]

Well, I guess the lesson we were supposed to learn was that if you and your sibling grow apart you can still find a way back to each other.

[caecilia]

so...you only watched the beginning of the movie?

[(Anonymous)]

I've never seen the film, but I have a pretty close relationship to my siblings and I meet them at most 4 times a year... They are all younger than me, the youngest of them turns 10 this year (oldest is 16), we never lived together actually the only sibling I've lived with was my younger brother for almost a year when I was 7-8 and until he was about a year.

You don't have to spend a lot of time with your siblings to have a close bond with them, I am very much connected and loved by my younger siblings even if I don't see them a lot. And of course I love them and share a bond with them, mostly because we are siblings, we share DNA and we are genetically made to care for each other, but also because they are amazing people who I would do anything I could for.

[(Anonymous)]

That was my problem tbh.

The movie was a lot less "Anna and Elsa coming together as sisters and loving each other and more "Elsa gets two minutes of freedom, and the The Marvelous Misadventures of Kristoff and Anna".

If they really wanted to make a movie about sisterly love, Kristoff wouldn't have been around much at all, so we wouldn't have the bullshit troll song (yeah this movie TOTALLY isn't about twoo luv at first sight here have an entire song about it totally disregarding Anna's feelings as a person!)

And then Krisoff's speech which didn't sit right with me at all because it was pretty much him telling Anna how fucking stupid she was, instead of the actual "haha disney making fun of itself!" people thought it was.

More Anna/Elsa interaction would've been ideal. Kristoff served no purpose.

[applemagpie]

Frozen might not have done the greatest job with building the relationship between Elsa and Anna, but the movie was still able to remind me of the ups and downs with my relationship with my own sister, so Disney still gets points from me for that.

[mautradutor]

I'm not sure that I agree that these things would mean that there would be no true love between them.

I have family that I rarely see, and some that I did not have a close relationship with since I was a child. But I still love them and would sacrifice for them. Could be different, with a family member who never spent time with me at all, but Anna and Elsa spend much their early childhoods together, and that can stay with you your whole life. Some bonds disappear with time, but not all.

[darkmanifest]

That really bugged me, too, especially since their bond over the years could easily have been demonstrated by scenes of them trading letters underneath the door (or just talking through the door, really, I understand why Elsa was afraid of physical contact, but all communication?) or small gifts, instead of a montage that summed up their relationship over like ten straight years with "Go away, Anna". Outside of when they were children, the story did more to show Anna and Kristoff getting to know each other as people than Anna and Elsa. Kind of made the pivotal "true love's sacrifice" scene seem tacked on, to me - like the Hans twist, only clever on the surface, without much of a foundation underneath.

[(Anonymous)]

I've had friends I haven't seen in years but I still love and would do anything for if they needed it. I think you can still care about someone even if you're distant.

[arcadiaego]

Hmm, I don't know about that. My brother and I have a strained relationship and don't spend a lot of time together, but I still love him and I'd still try and protect him if I could.

[gabzillaz]

Show don't tell. This movie did a lot of the latter, not much of the former.

[celestinenox]

Someone didn't watch the movie.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not going to take you seriously if you can't even spell one of the main character's names right, when it's said everywhere almost every five minutes. And don't tell me it's a typo, e isn't close enough to a for me to believe it.

I agree 100%

[(Anonymous)]

In fact I left a fairly long comment to that effect in an earlier Frozen secret, so I am very glad to see that I am not alone in my opinion... I mean, I have sisters (to whom I am very close and for whom I would jump off a cliff without a second thought) so I have a pretty good grasp of what sisterly love is about and Frozen is NOT it. Not at all.

And you are right, it's not mainly about genetics: it relies a lot more on shared experiences, including education, family traditions and a lifetime of shared pains and joys for as far back as we can remember. Not just slapping a quick 'oh they are sisters' label and moving on quickly to NO shared childhood and simply taking sisterly bonds for granted.