[ SECRET POST #3212 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3212 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

01. http://i.imgur.com/uQ0WwTg.png

[(Anonymous)]

How do you feel about people getting money for artwork based on IPs they don't own?

[(Anonymous)]

I think that selling physical goods for a small price is fine, I don't think the artists should lose money. Like for instance, charging 4 dollars for a 50 pages doujinsh to cover printing fees, etc.

Making money using other people's characters and plots without their consent is just wrong.

[alessandriana]

I honestly think a lot of the debate here boils down to fannish history. For the longest time fanart wasn't anywhere near as much of a thing online because dialup speeds made it impractical. Fanfic, being text, was a lot easier to access. It was also basically not tolerated by copyright holders at the time; I still remember people getting copyright takedown notices on their fic. As such, people tried to stay under the radar, and the fanfic community became a gift economy, where it was impolite to try and charge for fic-- and people who did so were slapped down hard, because they could bring the authorities down on us all.

Fanart became more of a thing as connection speeds got better, and at the same time copyright holders were getting more used to fannish expression, and less likely to sue. As such the fanart community didn't grow up into a similar gift economy, and it became acceptable for people to charge for fanart, where they wouldn't charge for fic.

I've noticed there's a generational gap as well-- newer members of fandom are far more likely to be okay with charging for fic, because they didn't grow up in that environment.

tl,dr: I still get very uncomfortable when people try to charge for fic because it goes directly against community norms, but I don't actually think there's a legal difference between charging for fic and charging for fanart.

[(Anonymous)]

As long as you feel the same way about people who do parodies of copyrighted shows, covers of copyrighted songs, art of copyrighted series, or comics using copyrighted characters, you're not a hypocrite.

If you single fic out and are okay with the rest, you should ask yourself why.

[(Anonymous)]

There is an exception for parody under U.S. copyright law. But not all fics, fanart, etc. are parodies, and therefore not necessarily covered by that exception. OP may not be comfortable with that. Now, it would arguably be hypocritical to be okay with say, fanart that's not a parody, but not okay with fanfic that isn't a parody. Neither is legally covered, but historically, fandom has been much more comfortable with art than with fic. It's not entirely logical, but that's the way of things.

[(Anonymous)]

I do like how F!S is always ready to go to war over the difference between attitudes about fan art & fanfic.

Like, we are straight-up ready to throw down at any moment. It's great.

[otakugal15]

Oh joy. this again.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. That goes to other creative pursuits as well though, but I feel with artists often have more original works in addition to fan works than writers have for instance, and that makes it slightly different for me and also more okay.

I really don't like it when it solely based on copyrighted material though. There is a fancomic I halfway follow, for instance, that has a Patreon for just that comic and that makes me utterly uncomfortable.

[gobbledigook]

At the end on the day, it's just people giving money for stuff they want.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh...I dunno if I'd be uncomfortable that someone has one, but if I disagreed with the idea I'd just not contribute or donate money. Easy. *shrug*

[diet_poison]

...IPs?

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, my objection to Patreon is that they finance kiddie porn / homophobia / misogyny / hate in general.

That excerable Princess Trainer game?

Yeah, thank Patreon for that.

[raspberryrain]

Normally, if people are producing creative work, they have a right to be paid for it. If you don't want to pay fanfic writers, then what? Should they not write fic at all, or work for free?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm getting old (I'm all in my thirties, which is apparently old in fandom now because Tumblr)so I'm basically just angry that for years, attempting to get money for your fanfic was just not allowed. You could put out a zine but you had to be careful not to make much of a profit or you'd be run out of the community.

And now it's okay? You can just be like "hey, pay me money and I'll write you fics".

It's not *fair* that I had to "grow up" in fandom without this option.

And then...frigging "After" is getting a movie deal.

[forgottenjester]

Patreon does this? Huh. I learn more and more about a thing I don't use everday.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel the same way about people who sing covers (Vocaloid + anime songs) and get paid there. Ugh, I am pretty sure this music is licensed (even the voiceless track) and I am pretty sure you are not paying the original creator their due.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the difference for me is that fan artists very rarely do anything that is other than interpretive of an IP where a fan writer might do a work that is canon compliant enough that original creators won't look at their work lest they be accused of ripping off the fan.

Does that make sense? (I'm tired.)

[ariakas]

I really can't bring myself to care. If people are willing to pay for it, and the author themselves won't put out that kind of material for their own IP, eh. It is original, in a way.

If Let's Players can get funded, why not fanfic authors.

[(Anonymous)]

As long as these assholes don't get the people who own the copyright pissed off enough to start suing and getting fic sites shut down, I don't care what they do. But it is illegal and we should at least acknowledge that.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm more uncomfortable with how everyone and their grandma is getting a patreon and hiding everything behind the paywall now. It feels like eventually you'll have to pay a monthly fee to be part of fandoms at all.

And half the time, the people with Patreons don't even do things well enough to justify the price.

[iggy]

I'm just over the idea that fanartists can earn profit but fanfic writers shouldn't, so I'm 100% fine with the patreon thing.

[(Anonymous)]

if you don't like it, don't give them money? seems simple to me

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Copyright holders are neglectfully tolerant of fanwork as long as there's no commercial interest. Creating a commercial interest risks bringing the legal hammer down on hosting sites.

[(Anonymous)]

So much entitlement. I don't think anyone should be making money off of fan works unless the author gives permission, frankly. But more than that imo it pollutes fandom. If you don't want to do it ~for free~ then don't do it at all. Sell original work instead if you want to make money off of a hobby.