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⌈ Secret Post #3623 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[(Anonymous)]

Are we talking Emma Watson or Hermione or both?

I only read the books through once, and I don't remember if there was anything about Hermione looking unattractive as an older teen at the end. I vaguely remember people commenting that they were making Watson look too cute (and this was at a point in the movie series when she and the character were still younger) and that Hermione's hair was supposed to be really bushy and wild and her front teeth were prominent. I don't recall the teeth thing from the books, but again: only read them once.

The thing about childhood cuteness and adult cuteness is that the former does not necessarily lead to the latter and the latter doesn't require the former. You never know how people's facial structure and fat distribution and so on will change as they grow up.

[(Anonymous)]

As I recall from the Harry Potter books, Hermoine had big buckteeth, but in one of the books she like... gets her teeth damaged/bewitched or something and so the magic-dentist reduced them to a normal size when they were being fixed. so the character essentially had cosmetic surgery in the books. lol

[morieris]

don't recall the teeth thing from the books, but again: only read them once.

It's mentioned maybe once a book for the first two and then there's a moment in Goblet of Fire where she gets them shrunken down after a magic fight and that's the end of it.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I'm not in disagreement that Emma Watson is not at fault for growing up beautiful.

But there's a difference between an actor being attractive, and a character being presented as attractive. I don't have strong feelings about this per se, but they deliberately dolled up Hermoine in the movies to look really conventionally pretty. They pretty much forgot she was supposed to have bushy hair and was a nerd. I guess it's up to interpretation if you think Hermoine goes around in fitted, fashionable clothes rather than her Hogwarts robes, too. My point is, the movie directing made Emma Watson a pretty Hermoine, when they could've made her a nerdier looking Hermoine.

[(Anonymous)]

Big budget movies produced by a major Hollywood studio wanted their main female cast member to look as pretty as possible? I'm shocked.

[feotakahari]

So basically, this is your Hermione:

[sarillia]

I don't know why people are so invested in her being unattractive in the first place. She's described as pretty when Harry sees her at the Yule Ball, with her hair straightened granted, which has it's own awkwardness with that trope, but that wouldn't have changed her face. And I have a hard time seeing Cormac McLaggen as someone who would date a girl he didn't think was particularly attractive.

I mean, I do know why people are invested in it, wanting a female hero who doesn't need to be beautiful, but I just don't think Hermione is who they were waiting for even in the books.

[(Anonymous)]

Emma Watson has no moral obligation to not be stunningly beautiful (and stunningly intelligent too, lets not forget), but JK Rowling -and any author- ought to have a moral duty to represent the vast majority of women who are not naturally conventionally attractive. I think she tried at first, with the unmangeable hair and the buck teeth, but then she lapsed into pretty girl territory because it was easier. If it is alright to have unattractive male leads with short Harry with equally unmangeable hair and...well, and Ron, then it should be just as easy to have Hermione not turn out to be the pretty girl who goes to Ron as a prize. Ron gets to win the smartest and prettiest girl, just because he is the male sidekick. Thanks Jo. Thanks a lot.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never really seen any of this wank, and I'm glad of it. But FWIW I thought the whole aesthetic of the last four movies was bland, airless and overly pretty.

[(Anonymous)]

Probably the same people who hated Ginny once she was portrayed as being desirable and attractive. The type of people who are attracted to fandom are never going to like that Emma Watson turned out beautiful or characters like Ginny.

[tabaqui]

This. We got 'bushy hair and big teeth' from an eleven year old, and after the first book or so, neither were really ever mentioned again (except when her teeth got shrunk). I don't remember *any* remarks on her looks in the later books, and so what if she dolled herself up to look differently at the Yule Ball? She's entitled to change how she looks, jeez.

[(Anonymous)]

She was a terrible casting choice for Hermione and never once did the character justice, but then, many of the actors were abysmally cast.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see why it frustrates people but it's also clearly not something that's anyone's fault

Just one of those things in this dumb ass world

[ketita]

As somebody with fluffy, curly hair, I was just bummed that hers is so... not really fluffy and curly. And I'm not saying that in a "she can't be pretty", because excuse you, my hair is beautiful, and many of my curly-haired friends have amazing hair.
I just wish they'd kept her more curly.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly I have no trouble with the way movie!Hermione looks or even Emma's acting (well in this case, I'm still not sold on her as Belle).

Book Hermione went through an awkward phase just like we all do, but she was obviously attractive enough to attract Krum, McLaggen, and eventually Ron's attention. Obviously, it's not anyone's fault that Emma grew up to be stunning, even if I do think they could have toned it down a bit. Especially in GOF (since we really lost the Yule Ball "wow" moment, because we'd already seen how prettily Hermione can style her hair and put on mascara.)

My issue is the way the films WROTE Hermione. Steve Kloves has such a boner for the character that he purposefully minimized her every flaw and quirk until she was "perfect"-- perfect and BORING. And then it got worse in the last few movies, when Kloves was partnered with Yates, who also loves Hermione--or at least the "dream girl" version of movie Hermione that the films started to establish by GOF.

And not only did this ruin Hermione's characterization, but Ginny's and Ron's as well--by giving a lot of their best moments, interactions with Harry, and overall screen time to Hermione, so that Kloves and Yates could get their fanboy on and try to push Harmony on us.

[(Anonymous)]

A thing I always noticed about the Harry Potter books was that unless a character was meant to be head-turning level attractive (Lockhart, Fleur) they were described in a way that accentuated their less flattering features... or with words that made them sound unflattering. Hermione was described by her big teeth and "bushy" hair, but lots of people with those features are considered normal-looking or even conventionally pretty. Nobody even looks at teeth, and "bushy" is just an unattractive sounding word for hair that has lots of volume, which is something desirable to enough people that there are shampoos and perms designed to give volume to "flat" hair (also an unattractive word for a decent or desired feature).

I think that way of describing characters was just the writing style of the books, to add color to the characters' descriptions. I don't think it was meant to make you think Hermione or anyone else was especially unattractive.

[(Anonymous)]

Especially since it's not at all uncommon in real life for homely/unattractive kids to grow up into good-looking adults. I've seen photos of my friend when she was a little kid and she was a gawky kid with glasses and unmanageable hair much like Hermione. She's now in her 30s and I'd put her at almost supermodel pretty because she grew up and grew into her long limbs (she's quite tall) and strong features that made her so gangly as a kid. They didn't look good on a kid, but they look great on a grown woman.

[(Anonymous)]

Meanwhile the kid they cast as Neville was spot on for being chubby, awkward, snaggle-toothed, etc... and puberty blessed him as the second coming of Clive Owen. He was obligated to be unfortunate-looking, but fate had other plans, much to everyone's surprise. You can't forsee these things when you cast a little kid. *shrug*

[iggy]

It's less that Emma Watson was attractive, and more that they just glammed Hermione up in the movies.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I never imagined Hermione as not being cute, she was just cute with bushy hair and larger front teeth.

Maybe the one nitpick about the movies I could make is that Emma's hair could have been bushier through 3 and the first part of 4, to give the Yule Ball more effect.

[(Anonymous)]

Books are from Harry's POV anyway (sans some passages where it is not like Snape, Narcissa and Bellatrix) - we usually see flaws first when we are kids and teenagers. I don't remember every thinking that my friends looked grand, just the 'oh ew, they have this weird spot on their face today!'. Plus everyone has their own ideas on looks so there is no objectiveness. Harry bothered me most :P - due to jawline actually ... in first two films it is hm, okay. Also in kids dark hair can be a bit lighter but in 3 - 7 films - the brown-grey hair with blue eyes and jawline bother me. Of course, it is just me.

Would say most of peers of Harry's parents are a bit too old but from his perspective they might. Essentially, I really loved Alan Rickman in everything but he really did not seem in his 30s, neither did Sirius but with him there was Azkaban thus he could look older (still a bit hitting the line). Then there is no one ever sure how to portray Dumbledore but neither was Rowling as he had been about 120 at the start, then she changed it to something else and then again. It does not do anything to 90s timeline but flashbacks are ... muddled (don't think many of those were shown?) - Grindelwald was defeated sometime in 1919 when him and Dumbledore were about 40 (checked that - could have been 38).

[(Anonymous)]

I don't even think she's cute. I think she looks like she needs to eat something.

[(Anonymous)]

"How dare Watson grow up to be conventionally attractive*" is not how I EVER saw it going down. Everywhere I looked, all I saw was people being annoyed and disappointed because the books deliberately went out of their way to erase Hermione's defining physical feature - her huge, untameable mess of hair - for no apparent reason other than to avoid having to present their female lead in an unflattering way. Watson's hair in the majority of the HP movies is utterly unremarkable, and that is just NOT Hermione.

(I think Watson looks as bland as stale oatmeal myself and "not ugly" is the highest compliment I'd ever pay her, but that's neither here nor there.)