[ SECRET POST #3975 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3975 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I used to ship McNulty and Greggs. They had great chemistry. Sue me.

[(Anonymous)]

OMG ME TOO when she gets shot and they are in the hospital and he looks like a shivering lost little boy T_T

[(Anonymous)]

I’m bi, too, and I headcanon every character ever as bi, and anyone who doesn’t like it can suck my left tit.

[(Anonymous)]

Same.

[digitalghosts]

I get why people are uncomfortable and it is because there is not many gay characters nor many of those get fully fleshed out romance so a straight ship feels erasing. On the other hand, you ship what you ship and as long as you know why folks might not be all over this option - it's grand. Not every type of work lets you explain situation as character realising they are not strictly gay, such as art but could be worth trying to write a sentence if you wish.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Shipping fictional characters isn't a referendum on real-life LGBTQ people. And there are much bigger problems than whether some rando on the internet ships the "wrong" way.

[(Anonymous)]

With all due respect, like... I don't have a problem with that kind of ship in general. Because, who cares, and whatever, and I think 90% of the time, the reason people ship things is because of the chemistry and nothing else.

But if you keep shipping that over and over again, that gets a lot closer to the point where it does feel like maybe something there's something about the specific dynamic that appeals to you? And maybe something that could be problematic? I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude here, but I do think there's a point where it gets a little hinkey. It feels at least a little weird if you consistently love the idea of gay characters not being gay.

[(Anonymous)]

No.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe, as a bi person, they love the idea of characters being bi. Just a thought.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I get all of this logically, and yet people writing canonically gay characters in a relationship with the opposite sex really squicks me. I'd never go after an author or anything, but I can't deny it's a visceral reaction for me. Probably from seeing too many canon "lesbian" character who just need the right man.

[(Anonymous)]

It feels at least a little weird if you consistently love the idea of gay characters not being gay.

I'm not sure I like this wording... it's probably not intentional, but it sounds like the people who tell bisexual people in straight-passing relationships that they can't use the queer label because they're 'straight at the moment'.

[(Anonymous)]

But if you keep shipping that over and over again

The OP said it's the third pairing of that kind, which isn't exactly a lot? I mean, I guess if they're brand new to fandom and shipping and three is a large percentage of them, then I suppose it is. But if they're anything like I would say probably most people here, they've shipped a ton of things, and three isn't really that many.

[(Anonymous)]

OP, you are not a bad person for headcanons.

[(Anonymous)]

The worst wank I've seen of this is in the Shadowhunters fandom. People will send you death threats and insist you are killing actual gay people for shipping Alec with a woman.

[(Anonymous)]

The hate against Clalec shippers is bad...

[(Anonymous)]

You just keep doing you, and fuck the haters.

[soldatsasha]

My opinion on this varies by the character. Some Canon Gay Characters are more... Canon Gay But Possibly Bi. Or we assume they're gay because they're in a same-sex relationship, but it's never really stated or something. Other Canon Gay Characters, their homosexuality is a major trait or plot point and it kind of freaks me out when people ignore that.

(Like, Dorian Pavus is gay, sorry, he's not interested in fucking your sexy fem!Quizzy or any other woman. He's not bi. He's not homo-flexible. He's fucking gay. His entire past and character arc revolves around the fact that he has zero interest in fucking a chick.)

But I guess what it comes down to for me is, in all of my nearly two decades in fandom I have yet to meet any hardcore shipper of this sort of pairing who didn't immediately peg the Homophobe Warning System part of my gaydar.

[nightscale]

I couldn't put my thoughts on why sometimes it bugs me and sometimes it doesn't, but what you've said here is it: for some characters I can see some flexibility and others I just can't and it's usually because their story is about them finally accepting themselves and ignoring all of it is just... really odd to me.

Also as someone who has dealt with homophobic as shit comic-fans for over a decade I've got a kneejerk response to these types of ships from that as well.

[feotakahari]

A common framework in fan shipping is to take a canon friendship and build romance in, because it’s often easier than taking a canon “romance” and building friendship in. (A lot of F/F shippers go this route—not “these two must obviously want to bang,” but “these two are really fun together, so we might as well have them bang.”)

[cbrachyrhynchos]

On second thought, I think it depends a great deal on the ship and the people doing the shipping. Bioware fandom has had some ugliness on the grounds that gay, bi, or playersexual men "take away from straight women's ships." Sure, if someone is shipping m/w as a "fuck you" to m/m shippers in the same fandom, I'm likely to groan and stop reading. But it's not like they need my approval.

And as I keep saying, fandom needs to learn to punch up. Someone having the wrong ship isn't worth more than an eyeroll compared to Marvel/Disney engaging in erasure and bullshitting about it, and I'll place a bet that Lucasfilm/Disney will do it again with Holdo.

[(Anonymous)]

Coming from a slightly different perspective...

I considered myself a lesbian, 100%. I had several longterm girlfriends in a row, and absolutely zero interest in men. Until I fell hard for a guy in my early 30s, and we're still together now. If he and I were to split up, I'm sure I'd date women again, and I may never have another relationship with a guy. Or maybe I would. I don't really know.

My point is, if it can happen in real life, it can happen in fiction. There's no reason a canon gay person can't fall in love with someone of the opposite sex like I did. Sure, it might be incredibly rare, but it happens. Also, it depends on how someone handles it. If it's done in a "haha, they're straight now!" way, then I would definitely be bothered by that. But if a canon gay character had an opposite sex exception, and it was handled in a nuanced way, I would have no issue with it.

[(Anonymous)]

What goes on in your head is your business.

If you are posting about how you ship it or posting fic, and people don't like it, they have a right to their opinions - and others in this thread have outlined why some people wouldn't like it. They shouldn't be nasty to you about it, but they don't have to like it, either.

If you go around insisting your ship is the only true, correct ship for those characters, that's just asking for people to get pissed off at you (and that's true of any pairing).

Hah, I do it to my own characters

[(Anonymous)]

A few years ago I specifically created a character to be the suave butch character in a non-fandom work, and ended up shipping her hard with more than one straight guy.

Now I create female characters without any clear sexuality in mind, and they keep getting stuck in wlw pairings....

[(Anonymous)]

Can bi be an adult thing? Man, i don't want to have doubt misconception with homophobe... Yes, i have a little bit problem with cisgender. Cisgender corresponded with alt right in my book.