[ SECRET POST #5208 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5208 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Shoot 'Em Up (resized)]


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[Banana Fish]


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05. [SPOILERS for Kids Baking Championship]



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06. [SPOILERS for Big Little Lies S2]
[WARNING for discussion of rape]



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07. [WARNING for discussion of suicide]

[ID: Invaded]


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09. [WARNING for discussion of noncon (probably?)]
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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Can we stop calling things that are not pedophilia, pedophilia? (Brought up because of this whole thing with James Charles.

Yes, 22 year olds should not be fucking 16 year olds. Yes, it's wrong. Especially with the power imbalance that they're his fans. But it's not fucking pedophilia! Jesus christ. Throwing that term at everything with an age gap or anything socially (and in this case imo morally) wrong is watering down the impact of a term used for actually genuinely sexually abused children.

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking PLUS ONE.

This really irritates me because there's an element of infantilization to it. A sixteen year old is capable of consent in a sexual situation in a way that someone under twelve isn't. I've seen pedophilia accusations thrown at a twenty year-old involved with someone in their thirties. As you said, the power imbalance and different life stages makes it iffy, but can we be a bit more discerning? A twenty year-old can enlist in the military, can drink in many countries, can get married, etc. Let's please not call them children victimised by pedophiles.

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I see where you're coming from.

At the same time, there's a reason that this argument has been viewed with suspicion on the internet - because, historically, the primary people making this motivation have been men who want to diminish the social stigma against dating teenagers, because they want to date teenagers. That's the background the whole "actually, it's ephebophilia" stereotype comes from. And I think that's bad.

So I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your argument. I just think it's tricky but important to reckon with both things at the same time.

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

IDK why that would be an unpopular opinion, you're 100% right. There's literally people calling a relationship between an 18 year old and a 16 year old pedophilia. Words have meaning and watering down one as important as this one is wrong on so many levels.

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

And while we're at it, can we stop calling people who point this out "creepy" or "pedophile apologists" or some shit? JFC. It might be pedantry, but it's not a statement in support of adults creeping on kids.

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

They're not going to stop because it's the fastest way to shut down a conversation. No one wants to be known as either of those things, so most people will just throw in the towel and go somewhere else.

It lets the accuser feel like they're in control. And if people walk away, they see that it works and never have an opportunity to change their world view.

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

+1000000

That said, the moment someone points out that there's a difference between pedophilia and late-teen/adult relationships, and another person responds with "YoU'rE a CrEePy PeDo ApOlOgIsT!!!" I instantly know the latter person is a mouth-frothing idiot who isn't worth three second of my time or brain space. So it can be handy in saving me time.

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think alleged victims should be believed right off the bat, every time, the moment they open their mouths.

This unpopular opinion brought to you by the 98% faked, shitty, backstabby "sex pest" allegations against Vinny Vinesauce. I'm so angry I can't verbalize it. I'm just so, so happy that it was seen through so quickly and that he's lawyered up, but still...

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

good thing that they are frequently not believed, then, i guess

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[(Anonymous)]

I think there are some pretty clear empirical patterns for when there's good cause to doubt allegations - IIRC one example is cases where someone other than the victim is the prime mover in bringing accusations forward, another is where the victim has a long and documented history of fabulation, and there's a few other key red flags I don't remember.

But the other things to keep in mind are - one, even with any of those red flags, it's totally possible for the accusations to be true. Two, those things are extremely rare. And three, it seems like there's pretty compelling reason to think that we as a society still err overwhelmingly on the side of not believing victims.

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

As long as we're going there anyway -- consent that you regret the next day was still consent. We all make bad choices sometimes. Own them.

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[(Anonymous)]

This is true, I just wonder where the hell all these women (let's be real, your comment is targeted at women) are who are waking up the next day and claiming they didn't consent when they absolutely did. Because your comment makes this kind of thing sound like it happens a lot and that is a giant load of shit. It's a rarity and if you think otherwise you've been badly misinformed.

In fact, the number of women out there who convince themselves they actually did consent when they didn't is way, way higher than the number of women who claim they didn't consent when they did.

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

DA - I'm reminded of an article I read where a woman accused a minor celebrity (I think he was a comedian?) of sexual assault, but by her own accounting of events it was basically just 'went on a date, went home with him, gave him an unsolicited blowjob, and... felt vaguely icky afterwards'. That was it. She didn't even explain how he was supposed to have acted differently, except perhaps by turning down the blowjob. It was dumb as hell.

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, since we're going there I'm not all that enthused by consent as the primary framework talking about sex. Doing survival sex, appeasement sex, or sex just to get the person out of your space can really fuck one up as well. And since 90% of sexual abuse never goes through the criminal justice system anyway, it's more than reasonable to talk about mental health implications beyond "what can I get away with legally."

Like, I don't particularly care about trying to drag the people who got sexually abusive with me into court. I'd lose far more than they would in that particular pissing match. I do feel entitled to talk about those experiences with my therapist other supportive people.

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Music over the last 25 or so years would have been immeasurably better if Nirvana had never broken big

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[rudehannibal]

Can you explain your reasoning?

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[(Anonymous)]

I am not personally fond of Nirvana and I don't like today's music either so in a sense I agree?

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[(Anonymous)]

absolutely disagree. I was in the music industry in the 90s, there's a lot of incredible music that would have never been made or even dreamed of if not for Nirvana. And i don't even really like Nirvana.

The 90s was a time of massive genre splitting, as well as a time before the internet rewrote the distribution of music to the consumer, so small bands could still enjoy a decent career playing small shows in small towns and selling small amounts of their albums because they were all trying to get noticed by the labels, who were in turn desperately trying to figure out what might be the next big thing and subsequently pushing everything and anything just in case it worked out. The actual problem, as it has always been, is the industry itself. The corporate machine always chews up and spits out more victims (both creative and not) than can escape its maw, and it has that extra layer of ick when it's music or art fields where personal creativity is supposed to be part of the mix but too much personal creativity can turn a sure monetary bet into a risk. The music industry basically gambles on people's creative juices to turn a buck. The most successful artists of all time have managed to somehow ride that beast and turn it into a symbiotic, beneficial relationship, but they are always few and far between. As it was in 1950, 1970, 1990, and is still.

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[(Anonymous)]

I full on believe that Balan Wonderworld will become a cult classic. Everyone's razzing on it now but yeah, I have no doubt in my mind that in just a few short years it'll be beloved.

Please enjoy one of the tracks from its OST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IKGnS31_0E

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

+100000 Could not agree more.

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[(Anonymous)]

I think that anyone who considers themselves to be a 'Royals fan' or especially a 'Princess Di fan' and who buys magazines like Women's Day, Hello, New Idea, and of course the ones that are actually exclusively dedicated to stalking the Windsors - I think such people are stupid and so completely lacking in self-awareness that I wonder if they can pass a mirror without being confused about who this strange person in their house might be. Even with all their own dramas and cock-ups, the paparazzi have been a consistently negative force for the royal family for decades, and the people who feed that industry are a very significant part of the problem.

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Do you realize different countries and cultures have different ages of consent and teenagehood? And in some places that's below the age of consent?

My opinion is: what's more important? Opening up a discussion on why my fetish should be "socially acceptable" or protecting children and teens from harm? Damn. Just enjoy your ephebophilia or whatever but don't promote it. Signed: someone who lives in a place where poverty and sexism THRIVE and knows how dangerous it is for guillible vulnerable young women to be encouraged to sleep with adults.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Plenty of carefree people here who don't get this. :(

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

My unpopular opinion is that I find it hilariously hypocritical how many of the KPop stans rallying against the anti Asian violence topic also keep bringing up how evil it is for men to fetishise Asian women. All the while they themselves hard-core fetishise the fuck out of Asian men.

Re: Probably Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Japan has an ongoing history of fascism.
China keeps committing human rights abuses.
South Korea is a debt-ridden mess.

All the major east Asian countries that people stan are flawed places with really fucked up histories. All countries are flawed places! B U T
a) being a fan of anime, or xianxia, or k-pop, does not automatically make someone a tool or mindless defender of a given nation and their given politics/history
b) (or maybe a.2) being a fan of media from one country doesn't mean the fan hates another country, even if those countries hate each other very much
c) being critical of specific fucked up shit a country has done / is doing doesn't make a person racist

Can we all just take a few deep breaths and try not to take it all so personally? I just really want to talk to someone about how ultra-hyper-mega-sexist the Joseon dynasty was without people getting mad, come on.