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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

12. http://oi44.tinypic.com/33cqdz6.jpg

[amarra-jade.livejournal.com]

A-fucking-men. I don't get it, either.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

I'm just upset because I think Angel and Santiago have much better onscreen chemistry and watching them together doesn't make me wanna cringe. I'm upset because Lance/Gwen has been my one unwavering OTP since the very beginning, before I even shipped Merlin/Arthur.

Seeing that reduced from "My feelings for you will never fade" to "Yea I kinda liked him a little bit once but I'm so over that" was just a slap in the face, especially when it was to further a canon ship that makes me wanna gouge out my eyes.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

p.s I've never read the "original" legend so my feelings pertain strictly to the show itself.

[amarra-jade.livejournal.com]

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that Gwen only saw Lancelot once a year, whereas she sees Arthur every day. Lancelot never stuck around long enough to be a true rival for Gwen's affections IMO. And I'm not just saying that because I ship A/G; I think it could have been a lot more interesting if he had stuck around.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

I stopped watching sometime during series 2, but omg. I thought Santiago and Angel had fabulous on screen chemistry. Sad to hear that the writers decided to not do anything with it.

[lydzi.livejournal.com]

Then again Santiago has chemistry with everyone including the horses and furniture.

[verschreibsel.livejournal.com]

I agree with you. I just don't see the chemistry between Bradley and Angel but Santiago and Angel really bring (brought?) it.

Well I do ship Merlin/Arthur but I do realize it was never going to become canon. But the show really teases the ship in my opinion and that makes a lot of fans upset because they think the plot twist and taking the risk of introducing a plot like that would really be worth it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not Merlin/Arthur but Arthur/Gwen drives me nuts. I'm like, "Get married and STFU about the Epic Love already!"

[haro.livejournal.com]

The funny thing about that is that Lancelot wasn't even originally part of 'real Arthurian mythology.' Personally I'm glad they're not sticking to that depiction of the love triangle, because I've never liked it or Lancelot (French Gary Stu) in the legends, and I don't like the idea of it in the show either. The actors have terrible chemistry, their interaction is cringe-worthy, and Lancelot himself is cardboard/Gwen becomes cardboard around him. I'm so pleased that they seem to be sticking to Gwen/Arthur and writing Gwen as faithful (when not enchanted, that is).

And I ship Merthur.

[amarra-jade.livejournal.com]

I never understood the big deal about Lancelot, either. I mean, I didn't dislike him, but I do think he was pretty much a Gary Stu, and I could never take him seriously as a love interest for Gwen when he only appeared once a season (not counting Lancelot du Lac because that wasn't the real Lancelot). If he'd been a regular and the love triangle had developed over several seasons, it would be another story, but with him appearing so sporadically and him and Gwen both being portrayed as unwaveringly noble and selfless, an affair just wouldn't have made sense IMO.

[cloud-riven.livejournal.com]

ooooh Legend!Lancelot is totally a French Gary Stu. YES to that perfect term.

Despite that, I was always used to thinking that Merlin was extremely AU, and that they'd eventually work out a happy cartoonish ending for everyone while only casually trying to reference the myths. It's sort of why I'm okay with the really inconsistent and awful writing. So seeing how they failed to utilise the Lancelot character makes me wonder why they even bothered to have him in the first place if he was only a barely-there and unconvincing plot device.

[miss-makiba.livejournal.com]

I understand that this is a show vs legend thing, but I don't actually watch Merlin, so I'm not really understanding. Could someone summarize the specifics, please?

spoilers in dis comment, yo

[(Anonymous)]

Can't speak for everyone, but personally i hated it because I thought the way that they killed Lancelot was really stupid... Actually, the whole episode seemed way too Season 1 to me, not in a good way. I was actually liking Morgana again, and then instead of using necromancy to, i dunno, resurrect her DEAD SISTER, she uses it to... have Gwen cheat on Arthur? What??? Lazy goddamn writing srsly
People argue that they couldn't have had Gwen cheat on Arthur in a way that wasn't OOC, but I disagree and think the whole Evil By Bracelet thing was dumb as hell/they've done it before. Arthur doesn't have to ban magic from Camelot, he should just ban jewelry.
The way they resolved it just made me wonder why they even had Lancelot there in the first place. Like, in the show. at all

I mean I'm just saying

[lydzi.livejournal.com]

Trufact.

[greenhoodloxley.livejournal.com]

The way they've managed the "love triangle" is actually one of my favorite things about Merlin. For once I actually like Lancelot, which is incredibly surprising. I found the way that Gwen's been drawn to both them to be far more believable/interesting than in the well known version.

*shrugs* I like Arthur/Gwen. I like Merlin/Arthur.

[(Anonymous)]

i was outraged because i thought i was putting up with gwen's bland, basic existence for a reason. y'know, chekhov's gun and all that. i mean, it's not like she DOES anything on a regular basis. so only reason why she's here is because they'll foreshadow the affair... right?

but no. she has NO purpose for existing. she is irrelevant in the great scheme of things and could be replaced by any stereotypical princess. her existence doesn't enrich the narrative in any way. same for lancelot, by the way.

[alice-alaizabel.livejournal.com]

I liked it fine.

Also, it is still a family show; it's gotten a lot darker than it was at the start, but there is still the expectation that kids are watching. They were never going to have a full out affair, and I liked the way they still did, but more fitting with the characterisations they've built up. Whether or not you like Gwen, you've got to agree that the character she is on the show is not the kind of person who would have an affair completely willingly, as is generally portrayed in the legend.

I don't like it when people say their annoyance is because Lancelot and Gwen's romance was just an enchanted thing. It wasn't. That was the whole point; the enchantment Morgana put on the bracelet wasn't a love spell per se, so much as a "Re-awaken old feelings and make them uncontrollable". I thought it was nice; that it treated it fairly on both sides and left room for Gwen and Arthur to get back together, because generally in fiction, cheaters are consider to be the scum of the earth (unless the person they're cheating on is already the scum of the earth).

Basically, I get annoyed when people pick and choose about what parts of the mythology they're going to complain about being left out.

In fanfic, I ship Merlin/Arthur and Gwen/Lancelot like burning. However, what I want from the show proper is for Gwen and Arthur to be very happy together and get married and have lots of little babies who call Merlin "Uncle Merlin". I generally like to have my fanfic wants and my wants for the actual show seperate.

I don't want the show to go the same way of the legends. I want there to be a happy ending.

[(Anonymous)]

god, i can't wait for this awful show to end. i don't even watch it anymore, but my hate for it and everything it chooses to be is so profound that the arthurian legends loving part of my heart will only have peace when this show is DEAD. DEAD DEAD DEAD.

[uponadecember.livejournal.com]

I only disliked it because it was cheap. They used magical plot devices to keep Gwen and Lancelot as pure and perfect as always. I don't really care who ends up with who afterwards - I just want some good character development. And that opportunity was wasted.

[luxis-lil.livejournal.com]

PREACH!!!!!

[frostoria.livejournal.com]

I don't even watch the show, but the "MERLIN IS THE SAME AGE AS ARTHUR" bit just cracked me up =D I've been wondering why they did that.

[(Anonymous)]

My issue is not that 'it isn't true to the myth BAAAAAAAWWWW!' thing, mostly because I am a fan of the ORIGINAL Arthurian myths. (They involve Arthur not being a king but a kick butt traveling warrior, a LOT more fae, Gwen being a fae herself, and so on. Though there is no Merlin, which makes me sad. He was a later addition.)

The myths have so many different sources that it is insane. I am still waiting for someone to call/spell Excalibur Caledfwlch. Or actually have it be based off the roman style one-handed sword it would have been at the time.

... I am a myth nut obsessed with origins who is writing a modern mystery fantasy that involves Excalibur. I am a bit of a geek about these things.

ANYWAY... *Ahem*

I am ticked off that they didn't do the original myths justice in the way they had the Gwen/Lance romance pan out. At this stage Gwen and Lance had been in the Castle together for awhile, along with Arthur. It would have been interesting to see some results of them being all thrown together in-between seasons. The Gwen and Lance romance is arguably even more legendary then the Gwen and Arthur one. I recognize that it is a kids show, but I wondered why they couldn't have shown it in a different manner.

Plus, as others have said, the lack of chemistry between Gwen and Arthur is annoying. I think they could have been done well if the writers had spent a little bit more time developing them. But it came off to me like Arthur/Gwen was the kind of romance you find in High School where the Lance/Gwen one had a more epic, high-fantasy feel to it. Maybe it was all the soul-searing looks?

I love Gwen. I think she is a poorly used character and I wish I could see more of her being a epic Blacksmith's daughter, and the sister of a Knight, AND a strong-hearted young women who is her own person. Who survived a brother abandoning the family and a father murdered.

Now, I do ship Merlin/Arthur and Lance/Gwen, but I also ship Merlin/Gwen, Lance/Arhur, and Gwain/Everyone, so I don't really have a 'OTP'. (...I'm sorry, Gwen/Arthur is just not a personality dynamic I favor. I think there is a lot to mine there if you do like that dynamic, so I don't begrudge those who love it. *shrug*) But I just wish that with so much potential in the vast mythology to dig out, and the chance for a great deal of complexity with the characters, that the writers would have done more with one of the most well known romances of mythology.

BTW, I complained a bit to my friends about the way Mordred panned out too. Would have liked it if he was at least related to Arthur in some way...

But nothing made me rage as much as Arthur stealing the Green Knight tale (via him and Morgeuse) which should have been saved for Gwain. Dude, you do not screw with my favorite myth ever, or my favorite knight. >:( (And this was BEFORE Gwain even showed up!)

[nyxelestia.livejournal.com]

I don't really like any of the canon ships, to be honest, with the way they're all portrayed. Arthur and Gwen did have occasional moments of chemistry, but those were always tossed to the side instead of expanded on. Meanwhile Lance and Gwen did have some actual chemistry in S1 and S2 but that got beaten down but S3 and S4.

I'm a big shipper of all sorts in the fandom but I kinda wish the show just stayed Gen. :(

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not up to date with the fourth season of Merlin, but as a gen viewer, I have to say Arthur/Gwen bores me to tears. God forbid Gwen and Arthur's relationship be anything but heavensent perfection. Had Gwen cheated, I think their relationship could've been a little more interesting because they'd have to give her motivation for cheating.