[ SECRET POST #2242 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2242 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 022 secrets from Secret Submission Post #320.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

11. http://i.imgur.com/inIAVtS.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Considering that it's most likely going to turn out that Rumple is her real father, she should be nowhere near Henry. Hey, adoptedmom-greatgrandmother-aunt!

I can't stand her. I hate how her fans excuse how she raped someone repeatedly and then hate on Neil as if he's the anti-Christ.

[(Anonymous)]

ooh, i forgot abot poor Graham! Yeah, that does make her skeevy. Also, yikes Regina as Rum's daughter. I guess it kinda is likely considering how they kissed and it was said that was a thing... my Rumbelle goggles must have been on not to make the connection. Poor Belle is going to have quite the family tree if the two of them make it!

[(Anonymous)]

that is becaus is the anti-christ!

and you're wrong btw..

[(Anonymous)]

The more I hear about this character and her rabid stans the more I want to watch this show, if only for the novelty of being in a fandom where a female villain gets the Draco-in-Leather-Pants treatment.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never really viewed Regina as a sympathetic character (Bad ass and awesome as a villain yes, but sympathetic? No), and even when I saw her back story I was kind of like meh, whatever. It suck that he died sure, but their love never really seemed all that great. Plus, is it hard to imagine her being a stable boys wife to anyone else? Emma is kind of unstable too, so poor Henry (Even though I can barely stand him) is stuck btw two women I hardly see as good mother material.

[loracarol]

I agree.

I mean, if she had at least lied to him, I would be okay with it (which sounds skeevy, I know), but to have him grow up in a land that does not change, and then send him off to the psychiatrist in the attempt to convince Henry that he's crazy for realizing he's the only one growing up and older?

Nope.

Nopenopenopenopenope.

She gave him a roof over his head, food to eat, and entertainment so he wouldn't go stir crazy. That doesn't mean she was any less abusive for trying to gaslight him into submission.

Not to mention the way she used magic to force Henry to her side when she first got it back in Storybrook (at which point everyone knew she was the evil queen, and had tried to murder her own stepdaughter- they had a reason to be cautious about Henry staying in her household) (she did let him leave, but still, the way she took him is creepy.)

I maintain that she loved him as much as Gothel loved Rapunzel, like a pet at best, something to make herself believe she could love,

What I hate the most is when apologists complain about the Charmings (is that what we're calling them now?) not trusting her when she had ~reasons and ~an ~excuse for her actions, and it was ~all ~Rumpel's ~fault.

1. None of them have any reason to trust her, especially when they get their memories back, and realize she's the reason they were miserable for 28 years.

2. None of them have any reason to trust her because of they way she acted in in FTL.

3. None of them have any reason to believe she's actually changed; deeds, not actions are what is needed, and even then, they are under no obligation to trust her. She was horrible and abusive, blaming a five-year-old for not being able to step up to Cora like Regina di- oh wait, she didn't either, but nope, we're going to blame the child.

4. None of them know Regina's ~tragic ~backstory wrt Gold, the audience does, but none of the FTL people do. Deeds, not actions, again.

...I have a lot of thoughts about this.

(Also, I was just working on basically this secret, so hi~ brain twin~)

[(Anonymous)]

Well - I'm not sure if ANYONE on that show would legally have the right to keep a child - Snow, Ruby.. practically everyone killed ~someone (ate someone).. I guess the 'normal' standarts can't apply here..

What would Fairytale-Court have to say? xD

+1000

[greenvelvetcake]

Have I been writing secrets in my sleep?

[(Anonymous)]

No - you're wrong - she is perfect and is enough.. I'm mean seriously, what should have she done as Henry 'started to realize' that he was the only one growing up.. (Which I find soo strange I can't even take it seriously.. bc he is so smart and as a ten year old kid realizes practically over night that he lives in a cursed town, his mother is the evil queen - his teacher is snow white - and all that from a book - yeah mhmm. sure, yeah makes totally perfect sense to me.) Apart from that, Regina couldn't just say "Yes kid, you're right!" and with that admission she gives up everything she's ever worked for? Really? Oh guys.. she had a really bad time - she is supposed to be one of the << more >> bad guys.. you can't be serious.
Emma really has no more right to Henry than Regina does.

[insolentwitch]

I couldn't agree more.

[helenadax]

I like her when she's evil and having fun, but I agree that she hasn't been a good mother to Henry. At all. She tried to be nice for two minutes and now she's thinking about killing Henry's family.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think Regina is perfect and angelic or anything like that. However, neither is anyone else on the show. And when I argue that Emma shouldn't have Henry, that doesn't necessarily mean that I think Regina should have him. It means Emma signed away her freaking parental rights and she does not get to change her mind about it. I was actually okay with it when Charming had Henry, as grandparents sometimes get custody in cases like this. I am so not okay with Emma treating Henry as her son. He is not, has never been (well, since whenever she signed the adoption papers), and he should never be.

[saiika_von_maou]

I needed this secret. Ugh, her fans drive me NUTS. I keep wondering, at the back of my mind, if I'm a heartless bitch for not finding her to be sympathetic. The only thing that keeps me from getting there is the reminder that some of her fans will tear Henry apart every time Regina gets sad about something.

[(Anonymous)]

You'd be surprised at what people can put their kids through without a judge taking them away.

[iggy]

They've been doing this since day one. The Regina and Rumple apologists are pretty much 100% of why I avoid this fandom.

She's a rapist and a murderer. She has no qualms about sending children to die for her. Even if she treated Henry like he was the best ever, that alone makes her unfit to be a parent... or to be out in society at all, really.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. I am all for loving villains but I never apologize for their actions. Regina is EVIL. She has killed, raped, and done all sorts of horrible things (let's also remember how Henry is named after her father WHO SHE KILLED.)

I don't think these things mean you need to hate Regina or be all team Emma, but I'm tired of reading things that try to make Regina seem like an unsung hero, she's not. She had a few small moments of redemption here and there but she's still very much on the evil side.

[(Anonymous)]

I love Regina, end of story. But even I know that she's no saint and I know all the things she's done and I don't make excuses or try to apologize for it at all.
I haven't actually seen anyone try and justify her behavior, maybe I'm just lucky?

[(Anonymous)]

Don't forget about sending (multiple) children into the home of a cannibalistic witch just to retrieve a magic apple!

[lex_antonia]

I think part of the Henry-related outrage is connected to this old trope that blood relations are somehow more special or meaningful than adoptive parents. As is, the Charmings all magically get along, but Regina and Henry is obviously abusive. It's an old hat, and it bothers people.

... if Rumple turns out to be related to everyone, it'll be interesting to see how they handle that.

[velvet_mace]

You are way over thinking this. This is a fairy tale.

[(Anonymous)]

For me, she completely lost relatability when she killed Henry Sr, who was not only HER FATHER but the only person in the world she loved, just to make everyone else unhappy. Arguments can be made over whether it's the *worst* thing she's ever done, but it's the one I'll never get my head around.

[(Anonymous)]

Regina stans can get annoying to me as well, except that sometimes they make good points. :\ Once fandom is the worst.

The reason I tend to find Regina a sympathetic character, OP, is because of the fact that the show is making it pretty painfully obvious that all of her life she has been manipulated into doing things as a means for Rumple to cast his curse and get his son back. The woman travels from one abusive and power-driven relationship (with Cora) to another (Leopold) to a third (Rumpel) - and while her actions are reprehensible and I really don't understand and sort of hate the Graham thing as it really doesn't make sense given the Daniel plot (the show's writing, obviously, is lacking) I have a hard time feeling much other than sympathy for her. Her situation is self made, yes, but there are extreme mitigating factors to almost every decision she makes over the course of the show thus far.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't get behind the excuses for her horrendous actions, but somehow I do appreciate that her apologists exist. As some posters said above, I'm just so used to seeing mass-murdering, puppy-eating, genocidal, rapist, torturer MALE villains get described as poor widdle woobies while female characters as utterly demonized for so much as stealing a candy bar.

Heck, the only other female villain I can think of who gets the Draco in Leather Pants treatment is, maybe, Azula from A:tLA...and she's a troubled 15 year old girl under the thumb of a scary abusive father, without the positive counter influences her brother has, and ultimately shown to be sad and broken. And she's still called pure undiluted evil fairly often.

Maybe Harley Quinn, too, but most of her stories go way out of their way to show how manipulated, abused, and used she is by the Joker, even when she tries to crawl away from him, and even with her I hear how she's "exactly as bad as the Joker, if not worse" a lot. I mean, I agree she's messed up, but on her own I can't see her stopping to QUITE his depths.

Maybe the Regina apologists and the Film!Loki apologists should have an excuse-off.

[(Anonymous)]

Guys, this happens with every villain. You don't see it with female villains because there aren't a lot of female villains with traits applicable for stanning as often as dudes, but they exist. Regina, Azula, some Homestuck characters. It happens in every fandom. *shrug* Who cares, I find the complaining even more annoying since now anytime you say you find a villain sympathetic you have snobs jumping down your throat unless you put up a disclaimer.