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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-03-04 07:01 pm

[ SECRET POST #2253 ]


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[personal profile] morieris 2013-03-05 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
*high five* Especially this year.

I agree

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[personal profile] sugar_spun 2013-03-05 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
I think they have most often deserved to win when they were nominated. This year, definitely not. I think basically every other nominee was a superior film.

And I can see what you mean about trying the emotional chords. In reality, every sad, tragic, or unhappy moment in film is the same thing. The difference is whether it feels natural or if it's hidden well. Usually I think it is...but as much as I loved Toy Story 3, a lot of that movie felt very forced. I understand they wanted an emotional, satisfying ending, but there's something very false about the sort of adulation Andy showered on his toys at the ending.

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[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-03-05 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
I too hate it when a movie causes me to feel emotions.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
you know what, I agree

they were something new and cool and different years ago, but dammit, stop playing the same tune already!

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
I've only ever liked the Incredibles and Brave. I found Nemo to be insanely boring, and Monster INC is eh. UP was okay, but not really my thing.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
I kind of agree. I love love some of their films, but this is getting a bit too close to worshipping to my taste. Pixar can do bad films and great films. Just like the other studios.
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[personal profile] fenm 2013-03-05 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
I'll grant you the second point, but for the first, I more blame the voting members of the Academy for not being willing to... rock the boat, or go outside their comfort zone of whatever it is that makes them vote for Pixar so often.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, wanting your audience to have an emotional response to your work is so played out, what a bunch of hacks

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
I love Pixar and I even liked Brave a lot but I was still upset that it won the Oscar. :/

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[personal profile] al28894 2013-03-05 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I have to agree with you on the "childish hate" sometimes.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
I LITERALLY WAS JUST THINKING TODAY ABOUT MAKING BASICALLY EXACTLY THIS SAME SECRET.

Seriously, even Ratatouille was a better movie than Brave. Brave barely managed to avoid being completely forgettable and it was 100% to do with Mom Bear.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
As someone else said, the first point I blame more on the people who vote for the awards. I am 100% convinced most of them saw one or two, if any, of the nominated films, and just voted for Brave because it was Pixar. It's not really the studio's fault people don't care for animation.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Are you a bitter Chomet fan too OP? Anyway, I don't HATE Pixar, despite their films beating out ones I thought were much better. And I still like the films that won.
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[personal profile] gabzillaz 2013-03-05 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I don't hate them. I do think they are overrated and I do hate that it's such a boys club.

And HTTYD and Paranorman deserved those Oscars /bitter

[personal profile] ex_mek82 2013-03-05 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Yanno, after 'Cars 2', I cooled off on Pixar considerably. And considering I loved the first one, that was a bit of a sucker punch. (If I wanted to watch a Larry the Cable Guy movie, I'd have rented 'Health Inspector')

I'm not holding my breath for 'Monsters University' (not after 'Cars 2', man), and tbqh, mother/daughter stories do absolutely nothing for me (long story) and the way they treated Brenda Chapman during production soured me on 'Brave'. (Might catch that one on TV someday, I dunno)

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[personal profile] fingalsanteater 2013-03-05 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
I think Dreamworks and more recent Disney films are pretty terrible. I'm not saying all Pixar movies are superior, but overall I have more favorites from Pixar.

Also, playing to the audience's emotional strings??? Like all movies (and all media) trying to tell a story don't do that? This is a wank generating buzz phrase that really means nothing. What you mean is what you said in the next sentence: the emotional content felt disingenuous and manipulative. Well, the same could be said for any story, especially coming out of Hollywood. People like money. Movies that make an impact on the audience tend to make money.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
Well when they DON'T stuff a movie with emotional shit, people hate it. See: Cars (not Cars 2, which was a genuinely poor movie).

However, I think that most of the drama in the their movies is very well-done and, to be honest, if it works it works. Yes they manipulate your emotions-that's what movies are SUPPOSED to do. There's no such thing as one movie's emotional moments being more genuine than another's because it's all made up anyway. If the audience really feels it (and with Pixar films, they usually do) then it's genuine. Period.

Though I didn't think Brave deserved to win this year. I wanted Wreck-It-Ralph to win (and I thought Paranorman was extremely overrated).

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I still like Pixar but I agree that them winning almost every time is getting tiring.
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[personal profile] littletown 2013-03-05 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
I still like Pixar but I agree that them winning every time is getting tiring.
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[personal profile] wauwy 2013-03-05 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
Pixar has been feeling contrived and manipulative for a long time now.

I'm STILL not a fan of computer animation, though, so my opinion's out the door.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
I say, like what you like. You don't need validations from anybody, even the Academy Awards.

People have been saying for years that the award has been going downhill, but they still get upset when the "right" move doesn't win. I don't get it.

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[personal profile] belacqua 2013-03-05 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed. I love lots of the concepts Pixar comes up with, but the the final products almost always feel lackluster to me, Finding Nemo being the only exception.

I'd try to ignore the Oscars though. They're just a pain.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
I love Pixar but I agree on a lot. Like, this year "Brave" did not deserve to win the Oscar. I felt like it won on the sole basis of the fact that it's the Pixar film. Almost any of the other films was better than "Brave".

And in some aspects, Pixar can be pretty manipulative with playing on the audience's emotions, but sometimes it works because it seems more natural.
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[personal profile] i_paint_the_sky 2013-03-05 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
While I pretty much enjoy everything Pixar does that doesn't involve cars, I do agree that its getting a bit ridiculous (though at least Cars 2 didn't win anything, except hopefully some Razzies or something). I definitely think HTTYD should have won in its year, even though I actually prefer Toy Story 3 as a movie (but this is because it's the end of a franchise I'm attached to and thus not entirely because of the objective quality of the movie, assuming such a thing exists).

I also really enjoyed Brave but am actually fairly surprised that it won. The only other nominee I'd seen this year was ParaNorman which was ... okay, definitely a much better movie than I expected it to be, but ultimately I would say Brave was probably better, just for how amazing it looked.

However I am pretty sure Wreck-It-Ralph will be my favourite animated movie of the year, once I actually get to see it.

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