[ SECRET POST #2396 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #2396 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.


__________________________________________________



02.


__________________________________________________



03.


__________________________________________________



04.


__________________________________________________



05.


__________________________________________________



06.


__________________________________________________



07.
[Jason Segel, in "Forgetting Sarah Marshall"]


__________________________________________________



08.
[The Cinema Snob]


__________________________________________________



09.


__________________________________________________



10.
[The Fall]















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 011 secrets from Secret Submission Post #342.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ], [ 1 2 - ok enough of this spam ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

09. http://i41.tinypic.com/2i11mhh.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

You are correct (although I don't think the new scene is all that)

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't think the scene was that bad until Spock screamed out, then it just gave me a case of second hand embarrassment.

As for my own secret I liked Into the Darkness but basically because of Scotty. I didn't really care about anything else, oop.

[applesock]

One reason (of many) I'm glad I never saw the new movie. Ugh. :/

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't see it as anything deep or meaningful for its own merits, just another fun nod to the series that spawned the reboot. It was the same as Scotty's tribble or Olsen the redshirt in the first movie; a peppy re-hashing of everything that nu!Trek is based on.

But lbr Quinto's "KHAAAAN!" was nowhere near as hamtastic as Shatner's and the scene suffered for it.

[(Anonymous)]

I said this at the time. The Khan Scream is supposed to be a moment that draws an emotional response from the audience because of the power of the scene, not a whooping one because they recognise it as a reference to something else. STID's biggest problem is that it shoehorns in references to WOK without giving them a proper resonance within their own movie.

[intrigueing]

I feel this way towards kinda all of nu!Trek. I have so many criticisms and complaints about it and there are so many things that I think are annoying and wrongheaded and shallow about it, but when I watch it, all I can do is grin and go "d'awwwww! Lookit my babies! *fangirls*" It's ridiculous of me, but hey, I'm not complaining.

[helenadax]

Tbh, I liked it. It was like "some things are bound to happen no matter the timeline, with minor differences".

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is two hands meeting palms forward on opposite sides of a glass panel.]

Wrath of Khan was a brilliant film and the scene where Spock dies was beautifully executed, with emotional impact stemming from years of on-screen chemistry. In contrast, the scene in Into Darkness where Kirk "dies" felt cheap, mining the nostalgia evoked by similarities to Wrath of Khan without backing it up with enough actual New Star Trek narrative or chemistry to invoke any genuine emotion.

The secret: ...That scene is my favorite part of the New Star Trek movies. I adore it. I really shouldn't, but I love it to bits.

[kallanda_lee]

Shrug. I liked the scene, but I see the new movies a reboot and don't compare it with the original canon.

[smallearthcat]

It was also my favorite scene of Into Darkness, but that's because it made me laugh the hardest. And really, it got that reaction for the reasons you outlined. I knew it was supposed to be a big emotional thing, but seeing as they really hadn't built up the friendship between the two of them enough for that, it ended up being cheesy as hell. Oh failed nostalgia moments, never stop being funny.

[sootyowl]

I liked it too (it tugged on my K/S shipper heart), but that movie was filled with so much fail it made me cringe. I love the actors and what they bring to the film, but the writing is utter shit.

[forgottenjester]

I feel the same way about its flaws but I couldn't enjoy the movie despite it like you could. I actually wish I could enjoy it but in all honestly the movie just made me very frustrated, disappointed, and discouraged.

What I'm saying is, you gotta tell me your secret. (The one about how you enjoyed it because I really, really want to.)

[likeadeuce]

You know, if it worked for you it worked. I thought there was plenty of emotional resonance within STiD itself to make the scene stand on its own, and people I know who knew nothing of WoK were still impressed with it.

Don't be embarrassed for liking it, is what I'm saying.

[(Anonymous)]

I liked it because it was a major point on Spock's emotional arc. After melding with Pike, Spock was more determined than ever not to feel, regardless of how much Kirk and Uhura were bugging him for some sign than he cared and understood that they cared. Then Kirk asks him "How do I not feel all those things you said Pike was feeling? 'Cause I'm feeling them now." It kicked me when Spock said he didn't know and then clearly couldn't contain his own emotions.

Serves a different purpose than the original scene, so I see it as a rip-off so much as a different scene that appropriates some of the same dialogue and actions (and aside from the stupid "KAAAHN!" scream - which was actually from an entirely different scene in WoK, let us not forget - I liked it).

[galerian-ash.livejournal.com]

Haha, they seriously tried to copy that scene? That's just... pathetic.

[nightscale]

I was okay with that scene to begin with(although I do wish they had actually done something new instead of rehashing Khan yet again...) and thought that it was touching in it's own way, then Spock yelled Khan and I burst into uncomfortable laughter. I don't think that was the intended reaction. :|

[elaminator]

Of course the original version is going to be more poignant; the characters have so much more history! But the thing that the new scene is supposed to drive home (at least imo) is that these two people are (in the grand scheme of things) only starting to get to know each other. Despite that they've already changed each others lives and been through some major shit together. They're connected now. Their relationship might not yet have the depth of TOS Kirk and Spock, but they do like and respect each other; they are growing fond of one another. Plus they know that in another universe they had this 'epic destiny' and 'bromance' and in that moment they both know they'll never get to fully explore it.

On Spock's end he's already lost his home and most of his race (including his mother), a mentor like figure in Pike, more innocent blood has been shed that he could do nothing to stop, and now he's losing one of the few people he likes enough to call friend. He doesn't yet have the same handle on his emotions that TOS Spock did and he's still reeling from all the loss he's experienced; losing Kirk is the last straw. Even if they don't have the history or the exact chemistry of the original Kirk and Spock, I don't see how that's cheap.

I mean, yes, of course it's a callback to WOK, but personally I loved it. If the movie had been exactly as is except for Kirk dying, I would've been terribly disappointed; why not see an alternate version of that scene? Things change (as they should) but that there are similarities and parallels between the universes makes sense to me. And spotting the differences between the TOS verse and the reboot verse is actually quite fun.

Obviously not everyone is going to like it, but if you enjoyed it that's fine too.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that scene itself is so bad, and the parallel could be kind of okay.

But it's so ruined by how clear it is that Kirk will be alive again by the end of the movie. Like, it was never going to be a masterwork of cinema, but it might have been somewhat effective if there were even the slightest chance of Kirk staying dead until at least the third movie.

[(Anonymous)]

The whole movie was a disgusting mockery of the original ST films.


There is nothing between this Spock and Kirk that would ever suggest a close bond. The extreme reaction from Spock was nothing short of forced, probably penned in to manipulate the audience. I see it did a good job of manipulating the OP. The writers of this movie are retarded, but I'd never expect fans to point that out.


Spock knew Kirk exactly as well as he did Pike, very little, and did he cry or KHAAAAN when Pike died? No.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. They should have waited before pulling out the "hands pressed against the glass" thing. What kind of emotional impact are we supposed to be getting out of something that happens in the second installment?

[otakugal15]

I....didn't. I saw it coming, had my emotional moment, now it seems very bleh.

Too contrived and the writers were lazy...

Damn. I do like that film, but so many things made me rage.

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

that scene......ugh okay I have a lot (A LOT!) of feelings about that scene so brace yourself

I thought it really worked. It obviously didn't have the same emotional punch of the one in Wrath of Khan because there was so much history and love between the classic versions of these characters (I don't necessarily mean in a shippy way! however you wanna define that love but to say it isn't there is just stupid) and like you can see in that whole scene with Shatner's hands pressed hard against the glass and Nimoy leaning heavily against his side of it, both these guys know EXACTLY what they're losing, both just clinging to these last moments together because they should have so much more TIME

now, in the reboot, they're mostly the same people but the relationship is different. They didn't click instantly, it had to grow. And in the end of XI, Spock Prime tells his young counterpart that his friendship with Kirk will come to define them both, and you can clearly see that Quinto-Spock doesn't buy it. all throughout Into Darkness Kirk makes friendly overtures towards Spock, and Spock doesn't quite know how to react (which makes sense! Remember in that episode The Naked Time [SUCH a nerd omg omg] when they all get space-drunk and all these secrets just come bustin' out, Spock tells Kirk that when he feels friendship towards him, he's ashamed?). But in that scene, I felt that for the first time, the full impact of how much he did respect and like this guy and how good a team they are and how much he'd hate to lose him was suddenly hitting Spock right in the face and he's just about to lose him.

also, the parallels. Not just the scene itself or the hands on the glass, even the dialogue is mirrored (in Wrath of Khan, the first thing Spock says is "the ship...out of danger?" Into Darkness, the first thing Kirk says is "how's our ship?" and Spock says "out of danger." MY HEART.) it's an alternate universe, yes, but though some things are different, some things are meant to be!

[straycatblues]

I disliked that scene.It felt forced imo.

[(Anonymous)]

A spoiler tag would have been nice for this. Not all of us have seen the movie yet