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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-08-12 06:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #2414 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2414 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Akumu-chan / My Little Nightmare]


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03.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation/Deanna Troi]


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04.
[The Borgias]


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05.
[Kaiba Seto and Jounouchi Katsuya from Yu-gi-oh!]


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06.
[Spring Breakers]


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07.
[Murder Rooms]


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[Twin Peaks]


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[Mass Effect]


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10.
[Despicable Me 2]


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[Ice Age]


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[Arrested Development]


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13.
[Super Junior]


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[Halloween]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 064 secrets from Secret Submission Post #345.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

[personal profile] fscom 2013-08-12 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2013-08-12 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Aiieeeeeee! It's the fandom reapers! Run away!

(Anonymous) 2013-08-12 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
The ending ruined things for me, but not the Shepard *pairings* necessarily. All of the choices bother me in some way - and as much as I don't like the Destroy also kills off EDI and the geth, I also wish that, say, with a high EMS score you could save them. After all, with high EMS the mass relays are apparently 'damaged' and not totally destroyed. Besides, AI can be rebuilt over time.

(I still hate Synthesis more, because forcing that change on every being in the galaxy? Ugh no thanks.)

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2013-08-12 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
It seems to be the Bioware thing these days to push you into a literary trolly problem, even if it doesn't make any sense.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-12 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Refusing in the EC is the worst. It's literally BioWare's 'fuck you' to anyone who didn't like the three endings.

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[personal profile] miarrow 2013-08-12 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Synthesis is the creepiest ending to me. It's supposed to be the best? I... that's forcing a change throughout the galaxy without anyone consent it's horrifying. (Not to mention the logistics of such a feat.)

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(Anonymous) 2013-08-12 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Destroy is the best choice, it doesn't affect any non-synthetics, Shepard lives, and the Reapers are gone and she doesn't get turned into a magical one or whatever the hell was going on with that ending. I would trade a thousand Edi's for Shepard to live.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-12 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Would you still say the same thing if that ending had required you to sacrifice Tali? Or Garrus? Or Liara? What if it killed every single turian, or the entire krogan race, but hey the Reapers are gone and Shepard lives, so what does it matter

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[personal profile] miarrow 2013-08-12 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly, that's my biggest problem I ran into when trying to understand the ending choices. The only one I really liked was the original Renegade/Indoctrination theory, because there was SO MUCH TIME spent getting to understand the Geth (not to mention the obvious drawn parallels between the Reapers and the Geth and the creepy kid last minute AI/deux machina).

(Anonymous) 2013-08-12 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting. Destroy is the only ending option for me. The fact that EDI and the Geth may die is really, really difficult - but Control and Synthesis aren't options for me. So it's either shoot Star Child in the head or Destroy.

And Shepard doesn't automatically live in Destroy. It's just an option if you play the EMS game.

spoilers for one ending of the Mass Effect trilogy?

[personal profile] transcriptanon 2013-08-13 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
spoilers for one ending of the Mass Effect trilogy?

[Picture is a five pronged object in space shooting an orange red laser/beam ray of sorts. Fandom is marked as "Mass Effect", the videogame series.]

Garrus/Female Shepard used to be my One True Pairing, but the ending killed it (and all Shepard pairings) for me. I don't mind that she died in my playthrough. But now, of course, most post-war fics use the Destroy ending, and it really, really bothers me how it's treated.

I don't care how cute their turian/human family is - she still committed genocide to make that happen.

Bonus secret: In the end, it probably comes down to the fact that the geth are my favorite species, and I'm simply not interested in a galaxy without them in it. Even fix-fics that spared EDI usually don't mention them.

Re: spoilers for one ending of the Mass Effect trilogy?

(Anonymous) 2013-08-13 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Since your subject sounds like a question - yes, this has Destroy ending spoilers. :)
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You lack imagination.

[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-08-13 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Blue ending: occasionally Reaper Shepard shows up as an appropriately blue hologram or perhaps Edi-like robot body and goes on "Human dates." This is what she calls them now. Human-dates.

Reaper Shepard loves Love Interest very much! See? Reaper Shepard had a gigantic space violin constructed so one of her new Reaper buddies can totally play romantic space music for your human-date!

Reaper Shepard and Glyph are like best bros. Sometimes, Shepard has Human-parties at the Citadel apartment that are basically just Shepard and various iterations of Glyph. Liara finds this annoying. Grunt usually crashes.
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Re: You lack imagination.

[personal profile] diet_poison 2013-08-13 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
"Human dates."

...Homestuck reference intentional?

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[personal profile] rivia 2013-08-13 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
no one ever cares about the geth, not even in the comments in this thread :c
(they're my favourite too)

(Anonymous) 2013-08-13 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
I like the geth just fine, but in the end fleshy bits > metal bits.

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[personal profile] nailtek 2013-08-13 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
the geth are easily in my top 5 species in the game. possibly top 3. i may have obsessively planned out my games to maximize geth survival (along with everyone else, tho), because i think they're incredibly cool.

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[personal profile] iggy 2013-08-13 01:50 am (UTC)(link)
All three endings are... not good solutions, but actually destroy strikes me as the least morally reprehensible of them.
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[personal profile] darkmanifest 2013-08-13 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
Back when I was hanging around the kink meme, there seemed to be a fair number of stories with "destroy only the Reapers, Shepard lives" fanon that included bits about the geth and EDI.

Either destroying all synthetic life or merging with it really ticks me off because having only those two choices is completely inconsistent with being able to engineer peace between the quarians and geth, and making EDI a beloved squaddie in a romance with an organic. The whole game straight-up proves that rational (which the Reapers aren't) synthetics and organics don't have to become one to get along, only for some holographic ghost child to come along and say "lol no the two will always hate each other because I said so"? If they were going to commit to that fail train so adamantly, they should have made peace with the geth impossible, and provided an event where EDI could end up turning on Shepard and/or Joker. That would have been heartbreaking, but at least it would have made sense from the perspective of the moral they were trying to push, instead of the contradictory mess we ended up with.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2013-08-13 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Personally the Catalyst struck me as very limited in its thinking. Too bad it basically had the power of destruction and peace in its tiny starry hands...
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[personal profile] saku 2013-08-13 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
in my playthrough where i romanced garrus, i picked the destroy ending besides being primarily paragon. the destroy ending always seemed out of the question for me but i just kinda wanted to try it.

i've yet to do the control ending (waiting on money to buy some dlc) but the synthesis ending was the first one i picked. it was a little creepy in its own way; i know it's supposed to be a "neutral" ending but the implications of that decision weighed kinda heavy on me. i mostly picked it because i romanced thane but i also had almost all the war assets available, so i'd survive the destroy option but the control option would leave me kinda... eternally alive? not really me but also not dead, and i wanted to meet thane across the sea, so i picked synthesis.

i know people argue that shepard wasn't equipped to make that decision for everybody, and i agree to some extent since the consequences of that decision are really critical, but whatever. in the end it did the most good for the most people. not only were the reapers stopped, but all races were spared (unless you couldn't save both the geth and the quarians), and the reapers helped rebuild what they'd destroyed. it still weirds me out that everyone is alive but also partially synthetic?? but idk, i think the implication there was that the change everyone faced was for the better, even if we may not agree.

the destroy ending tears me up because i love robots, i love the geth to bits and killing edi (and glyph, wtf) is really upsetting. and i do think it's the worst ending, even if it's the only one that lets you do what you've been trying to do the entire trilogy. i think some people pick it because saren's mindset was more in alignment with the synthesis ending, and the illusive man was partial to controlling them; their failures might turn some players off to the idea of those options, even if the starchild did explain why all options would work under shepard's direction. still tho i really felt bad picking the destruction ending. so far i liked the synthesis ending better but i've yet to pick control, like i said.

eta: another thing that really bugged me was how little foresight given to the player regarding the final decisions. like the game led you to believe the whole time that you must destroy the reapers and then it suddenly thrusts two other options at you at random. idk the ending of me3 had a lot of problems, even with the extended cut (and thank god i played me3 with the extended cut already downloaded cuz i read up on the differences and i would have been real pissed without it).
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2013-08-13 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
This is basically how I felt about Synthesis, and the endings in general, this and the fact that it felt like a deus ex. I would give lots for a destroy-only-the-reapers ending.
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(Anonymous) 2013-08-13 12:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I think someone needs to learn the difference between genocide and collateral damage.

Genocide is intentionally bombing the shit out of the geth.

Collateral damage is making a call during wartime that results in their deaths.

If you choose destroy, I'm going to go ahead and assume you're not choosing it to kill all geth. You're choosing it to destroy the Reapers. A lot of other people died in the course of that final battle -- should Shepard be accused of personally murdering them too?
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2013-08-13 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
When the deaths weren't necessary to win the war because there were other options available, the line blurs.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-17 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
I've played through both the Synthesis and Destroy endings, and watched the Control ending on YouTube - while I like having an ending where your friends all survive, I can't actually see someone in Shepard's position choosing it. There isn't any reason to trust anything the Catalyst says, and many reasons not to.

Whenever I do a Synthesis play through I have to justify it as Shepard being half out of his/her head due to blood loss/physical trauma (shot, burned, bones broken, etc) and the fact that they are quite likely in the process of dying at the time.