[ SECRET POST #2429 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2429 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Arrested Development]


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03.
[George R.R. Martin]


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04.
[Bee and PuppyCat]


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05.
[Harry Potter]


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06.
[Resident Evil 6]


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07.
[The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings]


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08.
[Naruto]


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09.
[Jin, Hanzawa Naoki]


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10.
[Neverwinter Nights]


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11.
[Shina Dark]


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12.
[Thomas Gibson from the series Criminal Minds]












Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 044 secrets from Secret Submission Post #347.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/jSHM9Ee.png
[The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings]

[feotakahari]

Is there anyone in Hollywood today who both makes some form of sci-fi or fantasy and has a "good track record" with female characters? Even the filmmakers who're praised for making reasonably good female characters are often criticized for not going far enough (e.g. Joss Whedon.)

[(Anonymous)]

No, because it is impossible to please the six billion people on this planet.

Guillermo del Toro!

[insanenoodlyguy]

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, Eowyn still killed the Witch-king? And Arwen was not conventionally badass in the source material? Extremely courageous to make the choice she did, but there was no swordplay, and her arc was always about Aragorn/love.

Arwen and Eowyn were far from perfect, but most of the problems were there from the books, not introduced by Jackson.

...Apart from the Arwen's-life-bound-to-the-Ring bullshit. I don't know what the fuck he thought he was doing with that.

[miarrow]

Yeah, I thought maybe I was misremembering, but was thinking most of this.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this. If killing the Witch-King is not badass, then... okay, I don't know what badass means anymore.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

...Apart from the Arwen's-life-bound-to-the-Ring bullshit. I don't know what the fuck he thought he was doing with that.

It never even went anywhere.

[(Anonymous)]

I... I completely missed that. Or I don't remember it. Either way, apparently, it didn't leave much of an impression.

[philstar22]

At least he gave Arwen a story. In the book she just kind of pops up at the end as a prize for Aragorn. Tolkien did write her backstory later, but originally she was kind of an afterthought. And her story still mostly revolved around Aragorn. Yes, the whole her being tied to the ring story in ROTK was stupid, but that was more about PJ being a Arwen fanboy and wanting her to be more important to the story.

And I disagree about Eowyn. Needing to be saved once doesn't change her awesomeness. Sometimes people do need to be saved in battle, and that is okay. By killing the witch-king she saved a whole heck of a lot of men. And again, I'm glad that her story was expanded a bit more. She's awesome no matter what.

[(Anonymous)]

This

The whole scenario with the Witch King being killed by a woman because of his careless arrogance really was awesome for me in my teen years.

I also thought Galadriel was awesome, too.

[(Anonymous)]

Arwen's subplot bothers me but that's mostly because it doesn't make any sense. (Tied to the fate of the Ring? Eh?) Then again, while I do think that book!Arwen is actually an interesting character (with her ambivalence regarding mortality/humans), I guess it wouldn't necessarily have been very compelling for watchers. I thought PJ went about very clumsily about her (and Elrond, uuuugh) but her story was always going to revolve around Aragorn anyway.

As far as Eowyn is concerned, yeah, that addition is pretty stupid. Her killing of the Witch-King is awesome, her final moments with Theoden are moving, no need to add still more fighting...

[transcriptanon]

[Pictures are screen-captures of Tauriel, Arwen and Eowyn from the movie adaptations of the "Lord of the Rings" books. Tauriel is an elf with light skin and very long orange-red hair, wearing a gray and green dress, peering over her shoulder at the viewer. Arwen is an elf with light skin and long dark hair, who is fighting in one scene and lying unconscious in the next? And Eowyn is a human with light skin and long blond hair who is looking frightened in the last picture. Before her is someone wearing an armor next to a horse, but I'm not sure if that's her.]

Whenever people say "don't worry about Tauriel, Peter Jackson did a great job with the Lord of the Rings women," I'm reminded he took Arwen from badass to damsel-in-distress, needing Aragorn to save her. (That plot didn't make any sense but whatever.) and took Eowyn, from the Slayer of the Witchking (also known as Sauron's second-in-command) to immediately needing Aragorn and Gimli to save her from an orc (extended edition only - the theatrical release ignored her until her cameo at the coronation) and that doesn't even touch on how Arwen's arc revolves around Aragorn and her love for him ... and hwo the same is true, to a lesser extent, for Eowyn.

So, in short, Peter Jackson's track record with Lord of the Rings women isn't that great. At least Tauriel's romance with ??? doesn't seem to be a big part of her character.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree and think you're bitching about nothing - Arwen and Eowyn were both badass and done well in the movies. I am actually sure Tauriel will be fine, especially when she placed in the larger context of the hot mess that the Hobbit trilogy is shaping up to be (and I say that with all love). The only thing that annoys me about any of their characterisations (or in Tauriel's case, her existence) is that there is a purist part of me that thinks PJ shouldn't mess around with what Tolkien wrote.

[(Anonymous)]

That font is horrible.

As for the secret itself, I thought it was great that Arwen rode off with Frodo while being chased by the Nazgul (which didn't, IIRC, happen in the book). I liked her expanded role. And Eowyn was awesome - she killed the Witch King. Go, Eowyn!

[(Anonymous)]

One of my only problems with Tolkien himself is his women. Eowyn had her moment of glory and then "I'm giving up violence to be a healer and homemaker!" Arwen was an afterthought.

Honestly, PJ is doing better than JRRT.

[nightscale]

Arwen's tied to the ring plot was odd and made little sense but I didn't mind what else she and Eowyn got to do, being saved doesn't suddenly make a character less awesome.

I'm interested in seeing what's going to happen with Tauriel's character.

[(Anonymous)]

Arwen didn't do much of anything in the books except be a "damsel-in-distress." In fact, that was the source of most of the criticism about her portrayal when the first film came out. People were all, "why is she doing things?"

So, I'd honestly like to know what the fuck you are talking about, because I don't think you've actually read the books. I think you're some stupid fucking tumblr jackass who takes the word of every SJW at face-value and doesn't have a single independent thought.

[(Anonymous)]

...were we watching the same movie?

[(Anonymous)]

I suppose it does bother me a bit that film!Eowyn's story is so centred around Aragorn, and her (romantic) love for him. In the book, I think it's actually fairly explicit that her problems and suicidal tendencies spring from her being in a society that apparently only values military deeds, while denying her the chance to accomplish said deeds because she is a woman; and that her love for Aragorn is almost just an extension of that, with Aragorn (as he himself says) appealing to her mostly because it seems that he will give her the opportunity to prove herself in battle.

These aspects remain in the film to a certain extent (although I think book!Eowyn is actually much sharper on the subject - I mean- "All your words are but to say: you are a woman, and your part is in the house. But when the men are died in battle and honour, you have leave to be burned in the house, for the men will need it no more." - ouch) but I think they were overshadowed by the unrequited love/love triangle part.

I still love her in the films, mind, because she's such a great character anyway, not just 'badass' but actually flawed and yet sympathetic, to me one of the most 'human' characters in the book. Plus I did love the way they showed her relationship to Theoden - one of my favourites in the films.

[(Anonymous)]

The damsel in distress complaint s is tiresome. You people aren't even using it correctly.

Needing to be saved, or even just having some one back you up in battle is NOT EQUIVALENT to a damsel in distress trope.

[rbhudson]

Seriously, they should leave this shitty elf character out of it. Don't even mother with female characters if you can't do it right.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't agree with your secret (Tolkien wrote those women, PJ was pretty faithful to their portrayals and Tolkien didn't even have Arwen in any kind of badass capacity) but your secret is really pretty.

OH wait. I do agree with your EE bit about Eowyn. That part with the orc chasing her was so unnecessary.

[(Anonymous)]

If you honestly think Arwen was nothing more than a damsel-in-distress, I think you need to check whether your own view of women in fiction is healthy or not.

And Eowyn DID slay the Witchking. Getting in a tight spot and needing help does not cancel that out.

You seem to think a woman must be 100% invincible and need no help from anyone ever to be a worthy character...

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I am withholding any opinion on Tauriel until I actually see her onscreen. All we have seen of her is her questioning what they (the Mirkwood Elves) are doing, and that's all.

I'm actually far more likely to get judgey on her for exactly what they end up doing with the romance thing with Kili. I like Kili, I think he's Cute and Adorable (capitalization totally deliberate). I'm also a pretty hardcore slasher and prefer to think of him with Fili, Bilbo, Thorin in a pinch, or Boromir (blame fanfic).

As for Arwen and Eowyn, others have said it before: Most of their stories in the movies are pretty accurately transferred from the books (Arwen's "linked to the Ring" thing notwithstanding).

Book!Arwen sits in Rivendell and sews a banner. That's all she does. At least the movies have some of the Appendices story included (i.e. the whole thing about her outliving Aragorn if she stays). They made good use of that with the plot about should she go to Valinor or not.

Eowyn, well by the time she gets incidentally "rescued" (and it is incidental, because Aragorn doesn't even see her there as he takes down Gothmog) she's already injured and got first stage Black Breath (the illness Aragorn later treats her for in the Houses of Healing). I actually think that scene says something interesting about how Aragorn is not looking for her on the battlefield, and it ends up being her brother who finds her. (BTW, I love that the Houses of Healing scene ended up with Eomer there. He's her brother! Of course he would be worried!)

I also think Eowun has a pretty strong story with the thing about her loving Aragorn. She realised he was not what she wanted, or needed and eventually met someone who was right for her.