[ SECRET POST #3076 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3076 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

16. http://i.imgur.com/ihruObb.jpg

FWIW

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really get Pacific Rim either, not from a feminist POV or a purely popcorn movie POV

Apparently one protagonist sending another away so that only one person has to risk their life is a kaiju movie trope, though, so I let them off the hook for that.

I love me some Mad Max though.

Re: FWIW

[(Anonymous)]

How do you not get Pacific Rim from a popcorn movie POV

big robots fighting big aliens!

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[fingalsanteater]

why do you have to expend energy on being feminist? that's possibly the more ridiculous thing I've heard in a while. you just are feminist. just say you are feminist if you agree in equality for all people. there you go. nothing to it.

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[ketita]

maybe they're confused by the people who are very extroverted about their feminism and thinks that to be feminist you have to decry misogyny in public often and loudly?

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[(Anonymous)]

Agreed, though some members of this community might flip out on you for daring to "impose labels" on them or something, because they "don't identify with feminism" as they are generalizing the "feminist movement" by SJWs and the like.

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[(Anonymous)]

Because even the smallest iota required to be a feminist - having feminist values - means being aware of all the ways the world is terrible to women, and this is INCREDIBLY draining.

It's easier not to care. I wish I didn't.

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[logicbutton]

I wonder if they fall into one of these categories?

[(Anonymous)]

I never really got it either. She should have been the protagonist, in which case, yes everything said about her would be more or less accurate, but... she wasn't. Some white dude who saves her (twice) and then has a pseudo-romantic scene with her is the protagonist, and she is The Girl.

[(Anonymous)]

But she's not The Girl, not in the classic sense. The sense in which she's separate and self-sufficient as a part of the story in her own right - that's real and meaningful. It just is.

[(Anonymous)]

I love how people always talk about how the dude saves her but forget that she also saves him.

[(Anonymous)]

Mako is the only female protagonist in an action movie I've ever related to, so maybe there are more women out there like me who appreciated that she was different?... But I guess it doesn't matter what we think, since we're so weak and submissive and can't do anything without men.

[fingalsanteater]

I don't even get why she can't be feminist. Because she fails at something due to her ptsd? So women can't have mental illness borne of tragedy, and can't fail at something? She's a fairly well-rounded female character in a movie full of barely explored characters or caricatures and I appreciate that.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought she was a fine enough character but I'm also not sure why people were trying to push an alternative Bechdel test with her in mind. I don't really recall her role being particularly feminist, but I did appreciate her development and physical strength/capabilities. Thought the movie had a rubbish ending though. Also, I wish it had passed the Bechdel test.

I don't though think there's any hard and fast rule about what makes a movie feminist or not, but writing the female characters as one might write the male characters is a good start, and not drowning them with the fast that they are female. I did like Mad Max's Furiousa because she could have easily been a male character and nothing about her would've changed. And I loved that the "wives", who could've easily fallen into sexually titillating damsels in distress, were actually developed into characters. Whatever feminism in movies means, I think Mad Max was that. Especially in that, to me, it didn't seem obsessed with any kind of agenda, it just wanted to tell a story which happened to have a lot of strong women.

[ninety6tears]

The Mako Mori test is uselessly subjective (especially considering she arguably fails it). I don't know, I've beaten the dead horse of how overrated PR is and I know eventually that's gonna get turned on me cause I loved the fuck out of Fury Road. They have different languages of darkness vs. optimism in how they approach Issues and people are going to respond to those things pretty strongly but I'm just - AHGH, like I can't even begin to express how much better MMFR is to me and tumblr is of course comparing the two like the fanbases are one and the same and nuh-uh.

[sarillia]

I just thought it was kind of funny that people were so upset that she didn't fit a test whose purpose they clearly didn't understand (it's not meant to be a yardstick of an individual film's adherence to feminism) that they made up a whole new test that she was certain to pass. Do you really need to put your arguments about why she's a good character in test form?

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I still think people took that movie way more seriously than they were meant to. It just seemed like a fun, cliche action story to me? The characters were all forgettable (I couldn't tell the guys apart for most of it), but it was enjoyable for the explosions and giant monsters/robots. That's it, really.

[(Anonymous)]

feministmadmax is adorbs!


HEY GIRL

I'LL BE YOUR SUPPORTING CHARACTER

[(Anonymous)]

YES THANK YOU I was so fucking boggled that Tumblr was glorifying Pacific Rim for being ~feminist and progressive~

like??????? Did we watch the same cliche-ridden giant robot movie?

Not kissing at the end is so subversive u guys

[nightscale]

Idk man, I just liked both movies for rolling in 80's action-film cheese and I thought all the ladies in them were kickass.

[bio_obscura]

I also thought the autonomy of Mako was really really overstated by people on the Internet. It seems like a case of one really popular Tumblr SJW writing a manifest of how earth-shatteringly progressive she is, followed by a bunch of people cosigning for the notes and attention.

Mad Max, though, had a legitimately anti-patriarchy message and a plot driven by women.

[(Anonymous)]

I liked both movies. Fight me.

[alexi_lupin]

The thing I liked about Pacific Rim was that Mako was not overly sexualised or seen as valuable just because she was hot. She was a capable pilot and she was dressed sensibly, as you'd expect from a military organisation. Pacific Rim was compared to Transformers a lot and Transformers is absolutely fucking terrible in that regard. I'm speaking of the first one, I haven't seen the rest. But Megan Fox is eye candy in that film. She is a male fantasy. She is fixing a motorbike in hotpants while sexily draped over it in full hair and makeup. Oh, she's so cool! She's so hot! But aside from being hot I really can't remember how her actions contributed to the plot.

So anyway, I'm not saying PR was some huge feminist triumph, but that was one element that I thought could be viewed as feminist, or at the least, not sexist.

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen a bunch of the PacRim people on Tumblr shitting all over Mad Max and I just don't get it. There can be more than one awesome movie! It's ok to like more than one thing!

[(Anonymous)]

.....why are they even in competition with each other??

I really liked both movies. Boom.