[ SECRET POST #3267 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3267 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

12. http://i.imgur.com/HicKz7a.png

[blitzwing]

Amen.

[(Anonymous)]

They've been raised this way. They're treated like children, with fewer responsibilities and more people coddling them and they're buying into the narrative. It's sad, really.

[(Anonymous)]

I really, really miss the days when everyone just lied about their age in fandom. When I was fourteen or whatever, there was no way in hell I would have even admitted to being that young let alone disclose my age and then whine about people mistreating me.

[(Anonymous)]

Because they're kids who are acting like kids. The only reason you didn't think kids were acting like kids when you were a kid was that you were a kid yourself.

[kallanda_lee]

I think that's the SJW-combined-with-tumblr influence.

Hell, I remember the opposite even - that me at 16 was asking "hey is it cool if I hang out here because I know there are materials I'm not supposed to read".

But then I feel like fandom in general was more chill a few years ago.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't get it. I don't know how factual it is, but I think for me, I just wanted to be part of fandom, there weren't parts specifically set aside for 'kids'. It just was. But now fandom is divided up into all these different spaces and kids want their own part? And want to stay there, instead of moving on? I don't know. getoffmylawn

[(Anonymous)]

A minor who was more than ten years younger than me got in my case for not wanting to discuss porn with them. It's not ageism, m8, it's not wanting to go to jail for corrupting minors.

[(Anonymous)]

How young are we talking about...?

Either way, they're kids. They'll grow out of it. It may take longer for some kids than others, but it'll proabaly happen eventually.
You probably can't remember, but I'm sure you acted just as childish when you were that age, hell knows I did. I'm pretty sure it's the same with most people.

[(Anonymous)]

The whole "you're a peeerv/HARASSING a minor" for disagreeing bullshit really pisses me off.

It's crying wolf. But it ends up effecting more than just them because it'll make it harder to believe for some people when a minor actually gets bullied or harassed by an older person.

People's first thought will be "oh THIS again" .

[(Anonymous)]

Curse you uwu culture!

...I'm not actually being sarcastic about this.

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom has gotten too infested with normalfags tbqh

[kaijinscendre]

It wouldn't be so mad if they (though it is usually a mix of older and younger people [between 20ish to 15ish]) didn't mob together to harass people for anything they deem bad or "problematic".

Remember when Tumblr said that John Green was a pedophile because he wrote YA books?

[(Anonymous)]

*shakes head*

http://archive.is/Vqn6e
http://archive.is/jgWsA

[(Anonymous)]

Does fandom just skew younger nowadays or is it just me? I remember when I was a teenager starting out on LJ and trying to get with the cool crowd, everyone I wanted to befriend was an adult, at least college-aged. Some were married with kids. Nowadays, the bnfs on Tumblr are the kids.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it's because I'm closer to 30 than 20 by now and don't really care about my follower count, but I find those "If you as a teenager feel uncomfortable following me, an adult, you can unfollow me, I won't get mad, I promise!" posts really weird. I mean, I guess it has merit if you're basically talking about your hardcore kinky sex life all day...
I guess I can understand the other way around more (as in the posts going "If you feel uncomfortable with an adult following you, tell me" etc.), but most people don't follow by accident? Even teenagers.
We all lied when the "Are you 18" question came up when it came to smut and even looked for those. Why wouldn't teenagers nowadays not do the same?

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with this so hard. It's like they land squarely in the worst possible intersection of immaturity, Tumblr SJW rhetoric and the belief that fandom should be a ~safe space.~ Every so often I run across a teenager's blog where they're going "DON'T FOLLOW IF YOU'RE OVER 20" and it just... completely baffles me. What, exactly, are they hoping to accomplish here??

This combined with the oversharing of real names, selfies, mental illness and so forth, just makes me worry for these kids tbh. IN MY DAY you leave that shit behind a friends-lock where it belongs!

[a_potato]

I don't think it's a coddling thing so much as that it's the current popular way for people to police and feel superior to one another.

But, yeah, it is rather weird to see. When I was first getting into fandom, those of us who were minors wanted to be accepted; we wanted access to all of the things; and we had a "don't like it, don't read/look at it" view of the porny stuff (mostly because we wanted to be able to read/draw/write/look at it and didn't want anyone to tell us not to). We wouldn't have dreamed of trying to exclude ourselves from the activities of adults, because we thought we were mature, and we wanted to be treated like we were.

I fear this might sound like a "back in my day" rant, though...

[feotakahari]

Back when I posted in the NSFW thread on TV Tropes, an eleven-year-old showed up in the thread while I was posting about an NSFW story that had creeped me the hell out. I made some hasty edits, but they followed my link and got creeped out themselves. At the time, no one blamed me for this. The thread was clearly marked, after all. If that had happened today, I'd pretty much be tarred and feathered.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe just me, but I have never seen a minor complain about inappropriate content in a fandom. Never.

I have, however, seen a steady, healthy growth of adults concerned FOR minors who might be exposed to things they shouldn't be ... over the last dozen years or so. Back when suddenly everyone was friends-locking their fic on LJ.

[(Anonymous)]

there's a 16-year-old in one of my fandoms who is moderating a NSFW/porn fan event...

when people approached the other mods to say it probably wasn't appropriate for them to involve a minor in a porn event, they said it wasn't their job to be her mom. And ok sure but...you knowingly invited her...knowing she's underage.

If this were a 25 year old guy inviting a girl 10 years his junior to read porn with him, fandom would be a LOT more up-in-arms, and yet these weirdos have so many people supporting them...

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like a lot of this actually comes from adults who were in fandom as kids and were exposed to unlabeled pornography/had bad experiences with adults in fandom. Now that they're older they realize that it was kind of screwed up and want to protect kids from the stuff they had to deal with. I agree that it's kind of annoying (and scary seeing teenagers put so much personal information online) and obviously there are people who will go overboard, but I think the overall trend is indicative that they understand that their age makes them vulnerable, which is far better than the alternative. I wish more teens understood this.

[diet_poison]

20 is a liiiitle young to be going the "kids these days!!!" route, OP.

[(Anonymous)]

i think this may have started when it was cooler to be a 'mature adult' than a 'little kid' on the internet. feeling excluded and inferior, the younger ones started lashing out at adults for any reason they could think of just to feel some sense of superiority and the mindset caught on as more joined.

everyone knows how much the average tumblrina likes to feel faultless, oppressed and speshul. hopefully this all-adults-are-pedos!!!1 mindset hasn't escaped too far past the confines of tumblr.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it happened once Tumblr became the go-to fandom place, for two reasons.

The first is that you no longer had "18+" communities. Obviously not everyone was (I'm one of the "I've been 18 since I was 12" crowd) but there was an expectation that it was not the place for minors, and minors were aware that they needed to tread lightly. Tumblr completely broke down those barriers--and honestly, since Tumblr was mostly started by the young fans, it started the "We're all young, everyone over 23 is old and should get out" atmosphere.

The second thing Tumblr did (and in my opinion, this was the worst thing for fandom) is that it completely obliterated any concept of correct behavior and lurking before joining in. When I was first getting into fandom, I lurked for MONTHS before I even posted in the newbie introduction thread. I learned the lingo, I observed drama to see what was cool and what wasn't. When I finally joined in, there was a learning curve, but if someone clearly younger messed up, other people had an attitude of, "Yeah, that's not how we do things here. Let things cool down and come back later, but ultimately no hard feelings, we can tell you're new at this." Now the 12-16 year olds aren't dipping their toes quietly into fandom, they're loudly setting up shop and demanding that everyone do things their way.

Part of this is because there aren't really any behavioral checks in Tumblr fandom, because everyone is just screaming into the night and can afford to get into knock down drag out fights (especially in a platform where you can basically start over in people's memories by changing your URL and icon). There are certainly BNFs still, but there's no longer an attitude of "You will regularly run into this person on the fandom com, you have to (more or less) get along until someone triggers the Modhammer."

LJ also allowed for people to have different kinds of comms--so you had the comms that ranged from zero-tolerance to "You can get off-color but don't be an ass for no reason, and while we do have set rules be warned it's basically up to the mod to decide what counts as being an ass or not", to "It's open season, don't come in here unless you can handle it." And while people certainly stumbled around a bit, there was an expectation of "This is an X comm, don't come here expecting Y." For as much trouble as bad mods could be, it turns out they were kind of essential to fandom, simply for keeping order.

I, uh, just realized this comment got long. I clearly really miss the days of LJ/message board-oriented fandom. I had way more fun, and the teenagers on tumblr who think Tumblr fosters an actual fandom community are really missing something.