[ SECRET POST #3503 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3503 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I think when people talk about the 'migratory slash fandom', they're probably complaining less about the fact that fans migrate, and more about the recurrence of particular tropes, styles of fanwork, and patterns of fannish behavior from one fandom to another, because they don't care for those particular things.

But I agree that the migration, in itself, doesn't invalidate the fandom of people involved - and there are definitely people who imply that it does, which is frustrating.

[kaijinscendre]

Yeah, you can often tell which fandoms go where in mass based on tropes, kinks, and behavior that follows. One of the most obvious ones I ever saw was when a huge portion of the SPN fandom moved to Teen Wolf fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

And then shoehorning SPN or TW into fandoms completely unrelated. It's frustrating to come to a smaller fandom and see that at least half the fics are fusions, where the big name fandom characters live in the small fandom's universe.

[(Anonymous)]

The McDonaldization of Slash Fics, yup.

[dahli]

I've seen it used for both, and the one used negatively tends to come from people who are very much against slash.

[(Anonymous)]

You searched for: Tags: M/M
1223075 Found

You searched for: Tags: F/M
605171 Found

^^^ You reckon that has something to do with it, OP?

[kaijinscendre]

Yeah, het is so small compared to slash. It is also why you don't here about migratory femslash fandom. It just isn't as overwhelmingly big.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention that a portion of those 60K fics are actually M/M-focused but tagged F/M because they contain het side pairings.

I don't think it's all that small.

[(Anonymous)]

By these numbers, it's about half (and that half has over half a million fics). It is less, but I don't think I'd call it small.

[ariakas]

Wow. I can't believe there are only twice as many slash fics as het fics. It feels more like 5:1 in my fandoms.

Though... does Character/Reader and Character/Original Female Character count? Because if those count, it's a shitload more. But those aren't het "ships" per se.

[kaijinscendre]

I think most fandoms either have a lot of F/M or none at all. So if you are not in one of the fandoms with a lot, you won't be seeing any.

[likeadeuce]

Though AO3 is not whole universe of fic + my understanding is that ff.net and other archives aren't necessarily as slash heavy. Though it depends on fandom.

I do think the 'migratory' thing has more to do with the sense of fans following popular writers from fandom to fandom, although a perfectly good counter argument is 'why shouldn't people share interests with their friends or want to follow writers whose work they enjoy?'

[(Anonymous)]

In my fandom there are 300+ het fics to 30 slash. That's not counting ff.net which I can't figure out how to easily tally, but I know it's mainly het there.

[(Anonymous)]

Unless the OP of this thread typed it wrong, it's 1,223,075 M/M to 605,171 F/M. So more than double. :)

At first glance, I thought it was just double as well - I find it harder to parse numbers when the commas aren't included.

[(Anonymous)]

You searched for: Tags: F/F
12 Found

[(Anonymous)]

When I click "Search Works" and check the F/F tag and leave everything else blank, I get this:

You searched for: Tags: F/F
175266 Found

[lb_lee]

Heh, I always feel bad because I tend to stay in fandoms FOREVER. I do the slow burn where I take a while to get invested, and interact very little, but will lurk for solid years. One of my buddies though, the longest she's been in a fandom is like six months, and during that period, her passion burns WAY brighter than mine.

So even if we're in the same fandom (looking at you, Leverage), she'll come and go while I'm just starting to get invested. :( Aw.

[(Anonymous)]

I always thought it was fans like telling each other "hey this thing as lots of ho yay" so others check it out. Whereas straight people can pretty much be seen in anything, so they got a lot more options.

I know the femmslash fandom will watch pretty much anything once they hear there's a f/f relationship in it. I don't consider that a bad thing. Gotta show the writers what we want right?

[(Anonymous)]

Can someone please give an example of this supposed migratory het fandom that exists in the same sense that MSF does?

Because I've seen MSF in action. I've seen the fics from which you can literally cut the names from Fandom A's slash juggernaut and paste them into similar trope fic of Fandom B's slash juggernaut and have there be NO difference in terms of characterizations, even when the original canons are nothing alike. I've seen 300+ comment threads on panfandom journals where the OP's taken a scene from a random fic, removed the names, and asked people to play "Guess which Fandom Ship" -- 300+ comments on the thread because that's how long it took for anyone to land on the correct ship, the characters were that bland and indistinguishable from any other fandoms/unrecognizable from the original canon. I've gotten much amusement from witnessing these things.

But for all people complain about it I've never seen these things happen with het fandoms, which makes me wonder how much it actually does happen in het ships and how much MSF just wants to believe everyone else is as lame as they are.

[(Anonymous)]

Every bigger RPG fandom if you can play as a female character comes to mind. Though this might be a matter of easy self-insert proxy.

[(Anonymous)]

I am not a big het fan, but I know from other het fans that generally no matter how the female character is in canon, she becomes a sweet supportive yes-woman who exists only for him in fic.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean exactly like all the women in slash fic turn into yenta match makers whose only goal is to make sure the dudes live happily ever after? (baring the bitchy evil ex-girlfriend trope, of course).

Everything in fandom centers on (mostly white) men. It's just easier to pin point with slash fic.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone in the secret previous mentioned that a lot of Zutarans had moved on to the Reylo ship.

If people like a certain dynamic (bad boy redeemed by the love of a good girl, crime-fighting partners who fall in love, whatever) they'll be on the lookout for media that contains that dynamic.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sort of laughing now because no fandom is more migratory than the femslash fandom...The Calzona and Mirandy folks trickled over into Rizzles, then the fantasy fans latched onto Swan Queen while the sci-fi fans went nuts over Cophine, and then the Carmilla Webseries pretty much blew it all out of the water for a summer. Now it's Clexa and Shoot migrating over to Wayhaught (from SyFy's Wynonna Earp).

Sadly enough, we pretty much move on when either one of the characters in the main ship dies or canon gets cancelled.